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That's why it helps to distinguish between ANTIFA and being anti-fascist. There is only a small overlap between those two groups.

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enriquto 6y ago
It doesn't really help. One is just a shorthand for the other.
- hhjinks 6y ago
  No, one is an opinion, the other is a label you willingly have to apply to yourself, in which you also associate yourself with several groups across the world of varying moral fabric.
- josteink 6y ago
  In the same way as being a National and Socialists is the same as being a Nazi, killing millions of Jews? Some times things become a thing of their own. Then differentiating makes sense. Being anti-fascist is a good thing. Being an anti-democratic organisation which violently attacks civilians for having made the “wrong” vote in a democratic election is not. ANTIFA has nothing to do with anti-fascism. Differentiation is not only useful, it’s absolutely required.
  - astronautjones 6y ago
    > Being an anti-democratic organisation which violently attacks civilians for having made the “wrong” vote in a democratic election is not. this is a lie though. where's your evidence of this? where is it organized? If "attacks on civilians for having made the wrong vote" actually happened at all, let alone on the scale you're talking about, don't you think trump would be parading arrested people around like bin laden? don't you think they'd have a list of wanted members? it's a nonexistent boogeyman. so far in this thread someone has mentioned "they beat people in the head with bike locks". OK, how many times has that happened? Less than 20? Less than 10? Can't you see how ridiculous (and bad faith) it is to pretend that that is a vast anti-democratic organization?? Can't you see that this boogeyman is gonna be used to vilify anyone who opposes the fascism they're pushing for? Or do you not care? Better to have journalists shot in the eyes, protesters murdered, beat in the streets so that you don't have to question your ghost story about thousands of angry ninjas with bike locks beating up everyone who voted for trump? I beg you to look through your sources and realize what absolute nonsense you're being pushed by people with no crediblity
    - josteink 6y ago
      > this is a lie though. where's your evidence of this? Yeah I’m obviously just making shit like this[1] up. This was happening withspread throughout the US, repeatedly, week after week after the last election. No need to filter the news to disreputable sources to find full evidence for ANTIFA being a violent, anti-democratic organisation. > where is it organized? No idea. I’m not an insider, but when you see it happen again and again, with the same masks, same kind of people, same and same name at different places, it’s obviously not happening at random. > Better to have journalists shot in the eyes, protesters murdered, beat in the streets Now you are lying. Nobody is in support of this. Condemning ANTIFA as the anti-democratic, violent organisation it is, does not mean endorsing other forms of violence, like police brutality. If anything, this is your boogeyman. [1] https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/4/antifa-america-canceled-rally-trump-minneapolis-/ https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/4/antifa-america...
      - astronautjones 6y ago
        your link doesn't even suggest what you're suggesting. "The notice asked activists to “bring your friends, bring your crew and come prepared to disrupt the nightmare that is Trump,” while the site predicted “thousands” would show up “in opposition to Trump and his world.”" Yes, that's called protesting. There's a twitter account encouraging protesting. What are you talking about?
      - astronautjones 6y ago
        https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1267964385147977728/photo/3 https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/12679643851479777... "FBI WFO has no intelligence indicating antifa involvement/presence"

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enriquto 6y ago

It doesn't really help. One is just a shorthand for the other.

hhjinks 6y ago
No, one is an opinion, the other is a label you willingly have to apply to yourself, in which you also associate yourself with several groups across the world of varying moral fabric.
josteink 6y ago
In the same way as being a National and Socialists is the same as being a Nazi, killing millions of Jews? Some times things become a thing of their own. Then differentiating makes sense. Being anti-fascist is a good thing. Being an anti-democratic organisation which violently attacks civilians for having made the “wrong” vote in a democratic election is not. ANTIFA has nothing to do with anti-fascism. Differentiation is not only useful, it’s absolutely required.
- astronautjones 6y ago
  > Being an anti-democratic organisation which violently attacks civilians for having made the “wrong” vote in a democratic election is not. this is a lie though. where's your evidence of this? where is it organized? If "attacks on civilians for having made the wrong vote" actually happened at all, let alone on the scale you're talking about, don't you think trump would be parading arrested people around like bin laden? don't you think they'd have a list of wanted members? it's a nonexistent boogeyman. so far in this thread someone has mentioned "they beat people in the head with bike locks". OK, how many times has that happened? Less than 20? Less than 10? Can't you see how ridiculous (and bad faith) it is to pretend that that is a vast anti-democratic organization?? Can't you see that this boogeyman is gonna be used to vilify anyone who opposes the fascism they're pushing for? Or do you not care? Better to have journalists shot in the eyes, protesters murdered, beat in the streets so that you don't have to question your ghost story about thousands of angry ninjas with bike locks beating up everyone who voted for trump? I beg you to look through your sources and realize what absolute nonsense you're being pushed by people with no crediblity
  - josteink 6y ago
    > this is a lie though. where's your evidence of this? Yeah I’m obviously just making shit like this[1] up. This was happening withspread throughout the US, repeatedly, week after week after the last election. No need to filter the news to disreputable sources to find full evidence for ANTIFA being a violent, anti-democratic organisation. > where is it organized? No idea. I’m not an insider, but when you see it happen again and again, with the same masks, same kind of people, same and same name at different places, it’s obviously not happening at random. > Better to have journalists shot in the eyes, protesters murdered, beat in the streets Now you are lying. Nobody is in support of this. Condemning ANTIFA as the anti-democratic, violent organisation it is, does not mean endorsing other forms of violence, like police brutality. If anything, this is your boogeyman. [1] https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/4/antifa-america-canceled-rally-trump-minneapolis-/ https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/4/antifa-america...
    - astronautjones 6y ago
      your link doesn't even suggest what you're suggesting. "The notice asked activists to “bring your friends, bring your crew and come prepared to disrupt the nightmare that is Trump,” while the site predicted “thousands” would show up “in opposition to Trump and his world.”" Yes, that's called protesting. There's a twitter account encouraging protesting. What are you talking about?
    - astronautjones 6y ago
      https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1267964385147977728/photo/3 https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/12679643851479777... "FBI WFO has no intelligence indicating antifa involvement/presence"