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Ok, a wind blows a empty paper bag on the road. A human will see by the way it moved that it is empty and safe to drive over. What will AI see? A driveable road

by rimliu 6y ago

Ok, a wind blows a empty paper bag on the road. A human will see by the way it moved that it is empty and safe to drive over. What will AI see? A driveable road or a road with a rock on it? I still think that without the "model of the world" no AI will be capable of driving. And that model requires GAI.

taneq 6y ago
I'll take a self-driving car that makes a controlled stop for a wind-blown paper bag over a self-driving car that ploughs into an overturned truck.
- syspec 6y ago
  I agree but stopping on the highway for a paper bag could itself lead to serious series of accidents
  - brutt 6y ago
    It's because human beings are unable to keep safe distance.
    - totalZero 6y ago
      Scapegoating of humans who make soft errors doesn't do anything to make autonomous driving safer.
jvanderbot 6y ago
I think the vehicle should alert the driver, and being controlled slowdown until it is overridden. Sorry, driver, you are inconvenienced. Maybe you are in the carpool / AI-only lane, so it's not a big deal. Yes, there probably should be an AI-only lane for now. This could exist now, but we have set sights on Level 5 at the expense of pragmatism.
armandhammer 6y ago
Interestingly, I remember this exact scenario was a noted problem for some sort of computer-controlled shock absorbers that I saw on the "Beyond 2000" TV show in the mid-90s. In many scenarios, the shock absorbers could detect bumps and holes in the road and compensate perfectly, resulting in a ride that was smooth as glass. But they still hadn't figured out how to differentiate between a crumpled paper bag and a rock, or a pothole filled with water vs a smooth surface. Otherwise, it was really impressive. Found it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KPYIaks1UY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KPYIaks1UY I feel like Level 4 or 5 Autonomous Driving will be the same -- there are just some problems that will never be solved well enough to make it work acceptably.

by rimliu 6y ago

taneq 6y ago

I'll take a self-driving car that makes a controlled stop for a wind-blown paper bag over a self-driving car that ploughs into an overturned truck.

syspec 6y ago
I agree but stopping on the highway for a paper bag could itself lead to serious series of accidents
- brutt 6y ago
  It's because human beings are unable to keep safe distance.
  - totalZero 6y ago
    Scapegoating of humans who make soft errors doesn't do anything to make autonomous driving safer.

jvanderbot 6y ago

I think the vehicle should alert the driver, and being controlled slowdown until it is overridden. Sorry, driver, you are inconvenienced. Maybe you are in the carpool / AI-only lane, so it's not a big deal. Yes, there probably should be an AI-only lane for now. This could exist now, but we have set sights on Level 5 at the expense of pragmatism.

armandhammer 6y ago

Interestingly, I remember this exact scenario was a noted problem for some sort of computer-controlled shock absorbers that I saw on the "Beyond 2000" TV show in the mid-90s. In many scenarios, the shock absorbers could detect bumps and holes in the road and compensate perfectly, resulting in a ride that was smooth as glass. But they still hadn't figured out how to differentiate between a crumpled paper bag and a rock, or a pothole filled with water vs a smooth surface. Otherwise, it was really impressive. Found it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KPYIaks1UY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KPYIaks1UY I feel like Level 4 or 5 Autonomous Driving will be the same -- there are just some problems that will never be solved well enough to make it work acceptably.