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I’m (half) Italian and (as you might expect) we do much the same when we import terms from English: commit becomes commitare, debug becomes debugare, and so for
by qubex 6y ago
I’m (half) Italian and (as you might expect) we do much the same when we import terms from English: commit becomes commitare, debug becomes debugare, and so forth. There’s only three suffixes (‘cogniugazioni’) of verbs in Italian (-are, -ere, and -ire) but the relative frequency decreases right-to-left across that list and indeed most verbs ‘imported’ from English fall into the first category.
It’s particularly when we ‘re-import’ something that English actually imported from Latin or Latinate languages. For example, import itself: we have importare in Italian which actually means “to care about”. But of course we re-import it as meaning “to bring in” (either in economics, or in the Python sense), so it acquires a meaning that it doesn’t actually have in Italian, and we pronounce it differently by moving the stress from early in the word for our native meaning to late in the word (on the -are) for the ‘foreign’ meaning.
Esportare means “to export”. But of course we bring in “exportare” from English, which is a corruption of our “esportare”.
Since I’m half English too, out of courtesy I make a point of using the most Italian words possible, because slinging around English terms is snooty and a sign that one is showing off, and of course as a native English speaker I could do it better than most. So for most people it’s a computer, which gets pronounced something like com-pù-tèr”, whereas I make it a point of referring to it as a calcolatore (a “male calculator”, which is the native term for an arithmetic machine that can execute arbitrary streams of commands, whereas a calcolatrice is a “female calculator” that cannot be programmed, i.e. a calculator in English).
- qubex 6y agoCorrection: -are is by far the most frequent suffix, -ere intermediate, and -ire therefore the least frequent. Many terms we need daily seem to have no real native analogue; at least not one that wouldn’t sound as if you’re deliberately trying to engage in some form of Dadaist absurdity: file, record, monitor, mouse, record. Others have perfectly serviceable local alternatives: algoritmo, tastiera for keyboard, processore for processor, puntatore & cursore, memoria, archivio for storage (aside: by God does it annoy me when people who should know better speak of hard drives or SSDs having a certain amount of ‘memory’: it’s storage goddamnit!), sistema operativo, finestra for window... It’s kind of a mixed bag.
- BrandoElFollito 6y agoI never realized that but we have exactly the same thing in French : three categories on verbs, the most regular and sensible is the first one and this is where all the imported words fall into: débugger, rebooter,...