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> 1. It's my understanding that doctors and lawyers have professional organizations, which aren't really the same thing as a union. False. Professional organiz

> 1. It's my understanding that doctors and lawyers have professional organizations, which aren't really the same thing as a union. False. Professional organization give licensure. The union represents those who have licenses and or work for an agency where majority of those license holders work. > 2. ...Obviously, unions have played an important role in improving worker safety and security, and that's great. But they've also contributed negatively in some ways... You can add a "not having a union" in that sentence and flip those contradictory sentences and they still don't mean anything. It's not about not wishing to organize. It's about coming up with a few set goals that the union can represent. Then the members vote on what else is there that is important to majority of the members. Unions work like a democracy. There's some shortcomings but the overall outcome is beneficial to the people being represented.

RHSeeger 6y ago
> Unions work like a democracy. The problem is that "other things" come out of it too. Being required to pay someone for an hour of time to vacuum the carpet around your display at a trade show or plug in a lamp (because you're not allowed to do it yourself). People being threatened with physical violence (or actually being subject to it) because they don't agree with the union. These things do happen and, to many people, they are a serious concern. > There's some shortcomings but the overall outcome is beneficial to the people being represented That is a matter of opinion, and also ignores what's best for society as a whole (which also matters to a lot of people). Just because something is best for the workers doesn't mean it's the best choice for a functioning society. I'm not arguing for or against unions here, just point out that they're not all rainbows and birthday cakes. Deciding to consider the facts and come up with your own opinion doesn't mean you're a bad person, or irrational.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
> False. Professional organization give licensure. The union represents those who have licenses and or work for an agency where majority of those license holders work. Incorrect! Most doctors are probably solo or group practice. This means one or a few doctors work together in a business that they own. This business then contracts with hospitals to provide services. Kaiser Permanente is different in that it hires doctors directly, but it is the minority. The AMA (American Medical Association) is not a union and does not negotiate on behalf of doctors. It is more a lobbying and advocacy group.
- hef19898 6y ago
  Lobbying and advocacy is, besides collective bargaining, a core function of unions. At least in Europe. And yes, these associations, doctors, pharmacists, lawyers, are wielding a lot of power and influence. As most of these professionals aren't employees, collective bargaining doesn't make a lot of sense. Where they are, in the cade of hospitals, collective bargaining is very much a thing. EDIT: In western Europe, we all live with things the nions achieved in the later 19th, early 20th century. in Germany, things like paid sick leave, vacation, labour hours, week-ends, etc... are all things union fought for, really hard, to get. As the world changes, which it did back then, employees need to have their say in how things will be handled. Last time, it was through unions. If these unions are up to the tasks regarding digitalization is disputable. But that employees, this time around white collor ones, need their voices to be heard is a given. I never was in a union as an employee, being white collor made that always a difficult choice. And unions tend to play political and power games. Which I don't like. the alternative so, doesn't seem to be better.

RHSeeger 6y ago

> Unions work like a democracy. The problem is that "other things" come out of it too. Being required to pay someone for an hour of time to vacuum the carpet around your display at a trade show or plug in a lamp (because you're not allowed to do it yourself). People being threatened with physical violence (or actually being subject to it) because they don't agree with the union. These things do happen and, to many people, they are a serious concern. > There's some shortcomings but the overall outcome is beneficial to the people being represented That is a matter of opinion, and also ignores what's best for society as a whole (which also matters to a lot of people). Just because something is best for the workers doesn't mean it's the best choice for a functioning society. I'm not arguing for or against unions here, just point out that they're not all rainbows and birthday cakes. Deciding to consider the facts and come up with your own opinion doesn't mean you're a bad person, or irrational.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago

> False. Professional organization give licensure. The union represents those who have licenses and or work for an agency where majority of those license holders work. Incorrect! Most doctors are probably solo or group practice. This means one or a few doctors work together in a business that they own. This business then contracts with hospitals to provide services. Kaiser Permanente is different in that it hires doctors directly, but it is the minority. The AMA (American Medical Association) is not a union and does not negotiate on behalf of doctors. It is more a lobbying and advocacy group.

hef19898 6y ago
Lobbying and advocacy is, besides collective bargaining, a core function of unions. At least in Europe. And yes, these associations, doctors, pharmacists, lawyers, are wielding a lot of power and influence. As most of these professionals aren't employees, collective bargaining doesn't make a lot of sense. Where they are, in the cade of hospitals, collective bargaining is very much a thing. EDIT: In western Europe, we all live with things the nions achieved in the later 19th, early 20th century. in Germany, things like paid sick leave, vacation, labour hours, week-ends, etc... are all things union fought for, really hard, to get. As the world changes, which it did back then, employees need to have their say in how things will be handled. Last time, it was through unions. If these unions are up to the tasks regarding digitalization is disputable. But that employees, this time around white collor ones, need their voices to be heard is a given. I never was in a union as an employee, being white collor made that always a difficult choice. And unions tend to play political and power games. Which I don't like. the alternative so, doesn't seem to be better.