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Nobody likes that these protests are likely to lead to increased transmission. It's a truly terrible choice. People are making that choice because these protest

Nobody likes that these protests are likely to lead to increased transmission. It's a truly terrible choice. People are making that choice because these protests get to such a fundamental problem in our society that they are still worth it, despite the cost. And, as has been mentioned, mask usage is high, and these protests are outside. It doesn't eliminate the risk, but many, many people are still trying to minimize the public health risk. So, yes, context matters. I would absolutely argue the value in the being part of the strongest push against police brutality in decades, that just might result in systemic change, is incredibly more worthy than virtually any other activity. It does not mean there is no public health cost. It does mean it is a tragic choice to have to make.

dchichkov 6y ago
Work. Volunteer. Take care of your family. Vote. It's a bit of a bad timing for protests right now - easily exploited, will likely result in negative change.
- celticninja 6y ago
  perhaps ask the US police if they could kill unarmed black males at more appropriate times maybe?
  - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
    The officer responsible was arrested and charged with murder. The other officers on the scene were all fired. Can you explain to me what the protest is about?
    - TulliusCicero 6y ago
      That it happened in the first place? That black people are treated worse by police as the norm?
      - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
        But "the police" didn't kill this specific person. A specific police officer did and he's in jail.
        TulliusCicero 6y ago
        One officer did the killing, three others let him do so, as it was a slow killing. Four out of the four present were complicit; think about what that likely implies about the rest of the police force, statistically. And they did it even as people yelled at them and were recording. How many more officers might do it if nobody was watching? That's the truly scary thought.
        badwolf 6y ago
        Where were/are the rest of "the police" to denounce, arrest and charge, and update policies and practices to prevent this from happening... every. damn. day. What do we have instead? 3 other "the police" standing by watching and not doing a thing. Being accessories to murder, that they would gladly arrest anyone else for doing the same. Followed by days of police brutality towards peaceful protesters, "the police" showing their itch to start shooting, throwing 'white power' signs and grinning, etc... Come on.
        vel0city 6y ago
        "The police" were on the scene watching a fellow officer murder a man in plain daylight with crowds watching and did nothing.
    - 0xddd 6y ago
      And did those arrest and charges come before or after multiple days of protests? At this point the protests have snowballed into a larger frustration over police conduct (and I'm sure other issues), which only gets reinforced with each instance of force being used on those who are assembled peacefully.
      - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
        The officers were fired the next day. Chauvin was arrested 3 days later.
        petrocrat 6y ago
        The other officers (excluding the one who was standing) involved should also be arrested.
        0xBA5ED 6y ago
        In your opinion. Is that particular detail worth burning down cities over?
        profunctor 6y ago
        Cities aren't being burned down
        TulliusCicero 6y ago
        > In your opinion. Seriously? They let him slowly kill a dude right next to him! This isn't a situation where he just whipped out a gun and instantly shot someone, that kind of thing would be hard to stop in time, they had literal minutes where they could've stepped in, and chose not to.
        0xBA5ED 6y ago
        The end result is that he died, but it isn't clear if they all knew the man was being killed. It could very well be plain stupidity that they all thought "as long as he is speaking, he must be able to breathe".
    - michaelt 6y ago
      The officer responsible was arrested, yes. But in the meantime, we now see videos of cops following humvees through residential neighbourhoods and shooting at unarmed people on their own property. As a result, people are more concerned about police brutality than they were a month ago, rather than less
      - andreygrehov 6y ago
        Of course, because there are at least 5 types of protesters, all with different goals. There is no way to control this salad peacefully. 1. Peaceful protesters against police brutality (including peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters). 2. The radical wing of the Black Lives Matter, who believe that the time of peaceful protests is over and that the only way to change the situation is to use violent methods, especially directed against the police. 3. Marauders and looters: who leverage the protests to rob shops, destroy and set fire to cars and buildings. These people do not give a shit about any other groups. 4. Anarchists and Antifa: their goal is to stir up arbitrary rule, to destroy the system using extremely violent methods. They are catalysts of chaos and their main goal is to create chaos that will lead to the arbitrariness and anarchy of the crowd. 5. White supremacists and extreme right-wing radical groups. They're catalysts for chaos. To make things a little simpler, their goal is to "anti-advertising" any African-American civil rights movement against police brutality and racial riots in the United States.
        celticninja 6y ago
        Ok some huge generalisations going on here, people can have many facets to them, so a peaceful protestor might become part of the radical wing after watching their friends get attacked by police when peacefully protesting. When has antifa ever been archistic?. They are anti-facist, they dont want to bring down the state, unless that state is a Fascist one (I know Trump is bad but the USA is not a facist state currently). So pigeonholing people is pointless and no one needs to control anything. Control implies a hierarchy, a hierarchy means you can go after the leaders, the point now is to raise so much awareness that you cant just go back to how it was last week.
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      If I stood guard so my buddy can strangle someone on video, I’d be in jail for accessory. So, why are they still free men?
  - dchichkov 6y ago
    It is not a good idea to protest on the streets right now. It is selfish to protest on the streets. First - it spreads COVID. Which kills people in thousands. Second - it prolongs shelter-in-place and associated damage. Third, likely increases the possibility of re-election of the current president.
0xBA5ED 6y ago
>...[these protests] are still worth it, despite the cost Can you explain why please? I am genuinely curious why the issue is more pressing now than it was a week ago and why it's worth doing this during a pandemic. If anyone has something real to say along with their downvote, I'd like to hear it.
rewoi 6y ago
Police brutality has been problem for past 50 years. Maybe protests could wait for couple of weeks. But your right to protest is more important than my right to life, freedom, going to work or pay rent.
- 0xBA5ED 6y ago
  Exactly. As wrong as this incident was, the murderer is already in jail. That may not feel like justice right now, but that's what we do with murderers. Basically, the system worked as it should as long as he receives an appropriate sentence.
  - vzzvzsz 6y ago
    A man is murdered on the street by police and basically the system worked as it should. Fuck you.
    - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
      Police officers are humans, believe it or not. Some of them are bad and that will always be true. Regarding your unnecessary insult at the end: Grow up.
      - nicoburns 6y ago
        The problem is with how these incidents are dealt with when they happen. Ordinary citizens could expect jail time for doing something like this, and that threat helps to protect black people against these bad people. In this specific case, it looks like the police officer will face justice. But that only happened after the huge public outcry, and it didn't happen in countless other cases even when there was a big-but-not-as-big outcry. In many cases, not only have the officers escaped trial, they've actually kept their jobs! That's what people are protesting.
        ashtonkem 6y ago
        The phrase “the straw that broke the camel’s back” comes to mind. Yes, outrageous police conduct has happened before. But for some ineffable reason, this one time was one time to many.

dchichkov 6y ago

Work. Volunteer. Take care of your family. Vote. It's a bit of a bad timing for protests right now - easily exploited, will likely result in negative change.

celticninja 6y ago
perhaps ask the US police if they could kill unarmed black males at more appropriate times maybe?
- 0xBA5ED 6y ago
  The officer responsible was arrested and charged with murder. The other officers on the scene were all fired. Can you explain to me what the protest is about?
  - TulliusCicero 6y ago
    That it happened in the first place? That black people are treated worse by police as the norm?
    - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
      But "the police" didn't kill this specific person. A specific police officer did and he's in jail.
      - TulliusCicero 6y ago
        One officer did the killing, three others let him do so, as it was a slow killing. Four out of the four present were complicit; think about what that likely implies about the rest of the police force, statistically. And they did it even as people yelled at them and were recording. How many more officers might do it if nobody was watching? That's the truly scary thought.
      - badwolf 6y ago
        Where were/are the rest of "the police" to denounce, arrest and charge, and update policies and practices to prevent this from happening... every. damn. day. What do we have instead? 3 other "the police" standing by watching and not doing a thing. Being accessories to murder, that they would gladly arrest anyone else for doing the same. Followed by days of police brutality towards peaceful protesters, "the police" showing their itch to start shooting, throwing 'white power' signs and grinning, etc... Come on.
      - vel0city 6y ago
        "The police" were on the scene watching a fellow officer murder a man in plain daylight with crowds watching and did nothing.
  - 0xddd 6y ago
    And did those arrest and charges come before or after multiple days of protests? At this point the protests have snowballed into a larger frustration over police conduct (and I'm sure other issues), which only gets reinforced with each instance of force being used on those who are assembled peacefully.
    - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
      The officers were fired the next day. Chauvin was arrested 3 days later.
      - petrocrat 6y ago
        The other officers (excluding the one who was standing) involved should also be arrested.
        0xBA5ED 6y ago
        In your opinion. Is that particular detail worth burning down cities over?
        profunctor 6y ago
        Cities aren't being burned down
        TulliusCicero 6y ago
        > In your opinion. Seriously? They let him slowly kill a dude right next to him! This isn't a situation where he just whipped out a gun and instantly shot someone, that kind of thing would be hard to stop in time, they had literal minutes where they could've stepped in, and chose not to.
        0xBA5ED 6y ago
        The end result is that he died, but it isn't clear if they all knew the man was being killed. It could very well be plain stupidity that they all thought "as long as he is speaking, he must be able to breathe".
  - michaelt 6y ago
    The officer responsible was arrested, yes. But in the meantime, we now see videos of cops following humvees through residential neighbourhoods and shooting at unarmed people on their own property. As a result, people are more concerned about police brutality than they were a month ago, rather than less
    - andreygrehov 6y ago
      Of course, because there are at least 5 types of protesters, all with different goals. There is no way to control this salad peacefully. 1. Peaceful protesters against police brutality (including peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters). 2. The radical wing of the Black Lives Matter, who believe that the time of peaceful protests is over and that the only way to change the situation is to use violent methods, especially directed against the police. 3. Marauders and looters: who leverage the protests to rob shops, destroy and set fire to cars and buildings. These people do not give a shit about any other groups. 4. Anarchists and Antifa: their goal is to stir up arbitrary rule, to destroy the system using extremely violent methods. They are catalysts of chaos and their main goal is to create chaos that will lead to the arbitrariness and anarchy of the crowd. 5. White supremacists and extreme right-wing radical groups. They're catalysts for chaos. To make things a little simpler, their goal is to "anti-advertising" any African-American civil rights movement against police brutality and racial riots in the United States.
      - celticninja 6y ago
        Ok some huge generalisations going on here, people can have many facets to them, so a peaceful protestor might become part of the radical wing after watching their friends get attacked by police when peacefully protesting. When has antifa ever been archistic?. They are anti-facist, they dont want to bring down the state, unless that state is a Fascist one (I know Trump is bad but the USA is not a facist state currently). So pigeonholing people is pointless and no one needs to control anything. Control implies a hierarchy, a hierarchy means you can go after the leaders, the point now is to raise so much awareness that you cant just go back to how it was last week.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    If I stood guard so my buddy can strangle someone on video, I’d be in jail for accessory. So, why are they still free men?
- dchichkov 6y ago
  It is not a good idea to protest on the streets right now. It is selfish to protest on the streets. First - it spreads COVID. Which kills people in thousands. Second - it prolongs shelter-in-place and associated damage. Third, likely increases the possibility of re-election of the current president.

0xBA5ED 6y ago

>...[these protests] are still worth it, despite the cost Can you explain why please? I am genuinely curious why the issue is more pressing now than it was a week ago and why it's worth doing this during a pandemic. If anyone has something real to say along with their downvote, I'd like to hear it.

rewoi 6y ago

Police brutality has been problem for past 50 years. Maybe protests could wait for couple of weeks. But your right to protest is more important than my right to life, freedom, going to work or pay rent.

0xBA5ED 6y ago
Exactly. As wrong as this incident was, the murderer is already in jail. That may not feel like justice right now, but that's what we do with murderers. Basically, the system worked as it should as long as he receives an appropriate sentence.
- vzzvzsz 6y ago
  A man is murdered on the street by police and basically the system worked as it should. Fuck you.
  - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
    Police officers are humans, believe it or not. Some of them are bad and that will always be true. Regarding your unnecessary insult at the end: Grow up.
    - nicoburns 6y ago
      The problem is with how these incidents are dealt with when they happen. Ordinary citizens could expect jail time for doing something like this, and that threat helps to protect black people against these bad people. In this specific case, it looks like the police officer will face justice. But that only happened after the huge public outcry, and it didn't happen in countless other cases even when there was a big-but-not-as-big outcry. In many cases, not only have the officers escaped trial, they've actually kept their jobs! That's what people are protesting.
      - ashtonkem 6y ago
        The phrase “the straw that broke the camel’s back” comes to mind. Yes, outrageous police conduct has happened before. But for some ineffable reason, this one time was one time to many.