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Forcing/encouraging the populace to wear masks, thus anonymising them, at the same time that many of them have lost their jobs and are unable to enjoy a social

Forcing/encouraging the populace to wear masks, thus anonymising them, at the same time that many of them have lost their jobs and are unable to enjoy a social life, may not have been a good idea...

somebrody 6y ago
How do you feel about cops murdering black people? Was that a good idea?
- ReticentVole 6y ago
  There was a struggle to get George Floyd out of his car, and again into a police vehicle. Bodycam footage from the police, or a statement from them, has not been provided. We don't have the full facts. We know that George Floyd was a repeat criminal, with a record of armed violence, who was being arrested for another criminal act. Having a knee on his neck so long? Police incompetence. You know what else is police incompetence, by the same police force? The death of Justine Damond: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond Killed by a Minnesota police officer fast-tracked through cadet training for diversity reasons. Where were the protests for her? Why is it just regular police error when a white Australian woman dies in the USA, after having done nothing, but a huge injustice and evidence of massive inequality when a man with a history of violence, in the process of resisting arrest, is killed by the same incompetent police force?
  - pm90 6y ago
    Because there is no systemic pattern of cops killing Australian women, over and over and over and over again and not being charged at all. The police officer responsible was immediately fired and charged with murder, of which he was convicted [0]. Justice was served, what would people protest for? Compare that to Floyd, where it took sustained protests to get the main perpetrator arrested. When something terrible happens once, it is sad. When it happens over and over again, its not "bad apples" but a systemic problem that needs to be fixed. The protests are about similar incidents (cops killing black Americans) happening throughout the country. The people who protest see that reality and are moved enough to get out there and do something, anything in the face of that injustice. The basic governing principles of the criminal justice system in the US is that the punishment should fit the crime. Regardless of however flawed human being George Floyd was, he did not deserve to die as he did. Many, many Black Americans did not deserve to die. Please educate yourself if you're genuinely interested in learning about the reason why so much of the country feels the need to come out and protest during a deadly pandemic. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond#Trial_and_conviction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond#Tri...
    - oyra 6y ago
      https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399 https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399
    - ReticentVole 6y ago
      The systematic problem that needs to be fixed is the significantly higher rate of Black crime, particularly violent crime: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-... There is no evidence of racial disparities in officer-involved shootings: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877 Black men are killed by a police at a higher rate because they commit crime at a higher rate. And some of the reason for that is genetic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A "In humans, an association between the 2R allele of the VNTR region of the gene and an increase in the likelihood of committing serious crime or violence has been found" "5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele"
  - somebrody 6y ago
    > who was being arrested for another criminal act ReticentVole believes the penalty for a criminal act is death. > but a huge injustice and evidence of massive inequality when a man with a history of violence, in the process of resisting arrest, is killed by the same incompetent police force Oh, you're an all-lives matter person! Why didn't you say so? Go fuck yourself.
riffraff 6y ago
We have masks and an economic crisis in Europe but we don't have street riots. The problem here is (other than underlying systemic issues) a pretty stupid attitude from the administration which went for confrontation rather than accomodation.
- ReticentVole 6y ago
  In areas where there is a heavy population of migrants, you do have riots: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-riots-suburbs-banlieues-police-fire-crash-bezons-argenteuil-a9523511.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-riots-...

Forcing/encouraging the populace to wear masks, thus anonymising them, at the same time that many of them have lost their jobs and are unable to enjoy a social life, may not have been a good idea...

somebrody 6y ago

How do you feel about cops murdering black people? Was that a good idea?

ReticentVole 6y ago
There was a struggle to get George Floyd out of his car, and again into a police vehicle. Bodycam footage from the police, or a statement from them, has not been provided. We don't have the full facts. We know that George Floyd was a repeat criminal, with a record of armed violence, who was being arrested for another criminal act. Having a knee on his neck so long? Police incompetence. You know what else is police incompetence, by the same police force? The death of Justine Damond: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond Killed by a Minnesota police officer fast-tracked through cadet training for diversity reasons. Where were the protests for her? Why is it just regular police error when a white Australian woman dies in the USA, after having done nothing, but a huge injustice and evidence of massive inequality when a man with a history of violence, in the process of resisting arrest, is killed by the same incompetent police force?
- pm90 6y ago
  Because there is no systemic pattern of cops killing Australian women, over and over and over and over again and not being charged at all. The police officer responsible was immediately fired and charged with murder, of which he was convicted [0]. Justice was served, what would people protest for? Compare that to Floyd, where it took sustained protests to get the main perpetrator arrested. When something terrible happens once, it is sad. When it happens over and over again, its not "bad apples" but a systemic problem that needs to be fixed. The protests are about similar incidents (cops killing black Americans) happening throughout the country. The people who protest see that reality and are moved enough to get out there and do something, anything in the face of that injustice. The basic governing principles of the criminal justice system in the US is that the punishment should fit the crime. Regardless of however flawed human being George Floyd was, he did not deserve to die as he did. Many, many Black Americans did not deserve to die. Please educate yourself if you're genuinely interested in learning about the reason why so much of the country feels the need to come out and protest during a deadly pandemic. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond#Trial_and_conviction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond#Tri...
  - oyra 6y ago
    https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399 https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399
  - ReticentVole 6y ago
    The systematic problem that needs to be fixed is the significantly higher rate of Black crime, particularly violent crime: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-... There is no evidence of racial disparities in officer-involved shootings: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877 Black men are killed by a police at a higher rate because they commit crime at a higher rate. And some of the reason for that is genetic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A "In humans, an association between the 2R allele of the VNTR region of the gene and an increase in the likelihood of committing serious crime or violence has been found" "5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele"
- somebrody 6y ago
  > who was being arrested for another criminal act ReticentVole believes the penalty for a criminal act is death. > but a huge injustice and evidence of massive inequality when a man with a history of violence, in the process of resisting arrest, is killed by the same incompetent police force Oh, you're an all-lives matter person! Why didn't you say so? Go fuck yourself.

riffraff 6y ago

We have masks and an economic crisis in Europe but we don't have street riots. The problem here is (other than underlying systemic issues) a pretty stupid attitude from the administration which went for confrontation rather than accomodation.

ReticentVole 6y ago
In areas where there is a heavy population of migrants, you do have riots: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-riots-suburbs-banlieues-police-fire-crash-bezons-argenteuil-a9523511.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-riots-...