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Well shit it isn't, it results every year in people being murdered in cold blood, nobody being arrested for it despite the perpetrators being known After the G

Well shit it isn't, it results every year in people being murdered in cold blood, nobody being arrested for it despite the perpetrators being known After the George Floyd incident, everyone was in agreement that this should stop. What's happening with the violence and the vandalism is just muddying the waters. It's almost as if the purpose isn't to make things better, but to foment a race war to destabilize the USA.

vertex-four 6y ago
> After the George Floyd incident, everyone was in agreement that this should stop. No, they really weren't - or at least not in any way that might lead to actionable results, like building systems that do not give cops the power to murder people without accountability. The same as all the other times the police have murdered people. It's not like this is a new thing that people are just waking up to.
- stcredzero 6y ago
  No, they really weren't - or at least not in any way that might lead to actionable results Can you substantiate that, or is it just your opinion? You can justify the imposition of your opinion on everyone? (Through violent intimidation?) like building systems that do not give cops the power to murder people without accountability This has happened, incrementally. Can you design a system, ground-up that will work as well as the current one? I suspect that's far more likely than iterating on the current one. That's also an opinion.
  - vertex-four 6y ago
    > This has happened, incrementally. Do you have statistics that show that? Are more cops charged and imprisoned after murdering unarmed people every year, or does the number of unarmed murdered people go down, at all? People who die mysteriously in custody?
    - Joeri 6y ago
      “Fatal police shootings of unarmed people have significantly declined, experts say” https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-people-have-significantly-declined-experts-say/2018/05/03/d5eab374-4349-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?fbclid=IwAR2MjduOM-Ak37IhlNLTogd74u43hjxSWHS7YEXU8ajcQAqPQ2HyjohNKbA https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/fatal-police-s... However, the overall trend in police killings is flat. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/nationaltrends https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/nationaltrends Interestingly: “White Police Officers Are Not More Likely To Shoot Minority Suspects” https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745731839/new-study-says-white-police-officers-are-not-more-likely-to-shoot-minority-suspe https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745731839/new-study-says-whit...
      - nolsoniente 6y ago
        And you dont need to be black to get suffocated by police https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/yo...
      - TeaDrunk 6y ago
        According to from what I understand fatal police shootings have declined in dense cities but have increased everywhere else.

vertex-four 6y ago

> After the George Floyd incident, everyone was in agreement that this should stop. No, they really weren't - or at least not in any way that might lead to actionable results, like building systems that do not give cops the power to murder people without accountability. The same as all the other times the police have murdered people. It's not like this is a new thing that people are just waking up to.

stcredzero 6y ago
No, they really weren't - or at least not in any way that might lead to actionable results Can you substantiate that, or is it just your opinion? You can justify the imposition of your opinion on everyone? (Through violent intimidation?) like building systems that do not give cops the power to murder people without accountability This has happened, incrementally. Can you design a system, ground-up that will work as well as the current one? I suspect that's far more likely than iterating on the current one. That's also an opinion.
- vertex-four 6y ago
  > This has happened, incrementally. Do you have statistics that show that? Are more cops charged and imprisoned after murdering unarmed people every year, or does the number of unarmed murdered people go down, at all? People who die mysteriously in custody?
  - Joeri 6y ago
    “Fatal police shootings of unarmed people have significantly declined, experts say” https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-people-have-significantly-declined-experts-say/2018/05/03/d5eab374-4349-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?fbclid=IwAR2MjduOM-Ak37IhlNLTogd74u43hjxSWHS7YEXU8ajcQAqPQ2HyjohNKbA https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/fatal-police-s... However, the overall trend in police killings is flat. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/nationaltrends https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/nationaltrends Interestingly: “White Police Officers Are Not More Likely To Shoot Minority Suspects” https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745731839/new-study-says-white-police-officers-are-not-more-likely-to-shoot-minority-suspe https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745731839/new-study-says-whit...
    - nolsoniente 6y ago
      And you dont need to be black to get suffocated by police https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/yo...
    - TeaDrunk 6y ago
      According to from what I understand fatal police shootings have declined in dense cities but have increased everywhere else.