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I wonder if they gave the employees the option to relocate with out of calofornia salary. Not sure if that’s legal but it would have been worth giving them an o

I wonder if they gave the employees the option to relocate with out of calofornia salary. Not sure if that’s legal but it would have been worth giving them an option, some might as well take it, everything’s too expensive in cali, one cannot easily start a family there

driverdan 6y ago
> Not sure if that’s legal Why wouldn't it be legal?
paulcole 6y ago
You don't need to wonder. It literally says that in the article. Even above the paywall.
mc32 6y ago
They gave them the option to stay on if they relocate. Doesn’t say they keep their CA salary though. >“ Most of the layoffs will take place in September and those affected will have the opportunity to relocate and stay with the San Francisco-based company.”
- subsaharancoder 6y ago
  What are the implications of this in terms of taxes? My understanding is that the CFTB https://www.ftb.ca.gov/ https://www.ftb.ca.gov/ will continue to tax you as a CA resident as long as your employer is based in CA. The laundry list for determining residency is long and in many cases you would end up paying taxes even if you don't live in CA. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2019/10/22/now-california-can-assess-taxes-no-matter-where-you-livereally/#4adf59fa3e7f https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2019/10/22/now-calif... https://moskowitzllp.com/leaving-california-and-the-franchise-tax-board-behind-a-little-qa-on-california-exit-planning/ https://moskowitzllp.com/leaving-california-and-the-franchis...
- klenwell 6y ago
  The two Stitch Fix stylists that I've known both worked remotely and I got the impression that most of them did. Is that not true? If it is true, how do you relocate a remote worker?
  - tyingq 6y ago
    The requirement to relocate makes me wonder if the true reason is to avoid some current, or likely future California labor law. Why not just offer a straight salary cut, since they are already, as you say...remote?
  - onemoresoop 6y ago
    In this case perhaps rehire with slashed salary. Some people in need would take it
    - toyg 6y ago
      And resent you forever, as well as likely to leave very soon. It would be a liability.
      - dividedbyzero 6y ago
        That isn't a problem at all in a lot of industries; sure, you may have to coddle tech workers for now, treat them like actual human beings and all that nonsense, but imagine a future where you can treat just like your warehouse staff. Wouldn't that be neat? /s On a more serious note, I know a few companies who do treat their tech people like disposable inventory, on par with the lower-prestige roles, and it works out just fine for them. They don't get highly motivated world-class talent, but they don't need that sort of talent; just someone to take care of their relatively modest IT/dev needs. It's not very efficient across a lot of metrics, but low salaries probably compensate for that. This seems to be a trend across all sorts of industries, less and less jobs that pay well, less employees that get coddled and treated well, commoditize the hell out of every last role etc. – just because it's not a big thing in much of tech yet probably doesn't mean it's an impossibility.
GhettoChild 6y ago
The article I read said that they were going to give their current employees the opportunity to relocate. It did not specify if there was going to be a change in their income though.
- barcadad 6y ago
  It doesn't make sense to do it if they don't cut their pay.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    Apparently they’re not engineers, but stylists. Can the difference in pay for stylists be very large across states?
    - klipt 6y ago
      If there were no difference, what would be the motivation to fire in CA and hire elsewhere? I guess office rent is a factor, but that's probably small compared to salaries.
      - ashtonkem 6y ago
        Nothing compared to salaries for engineers. Office space averages $17k a year a head, and it’s probably higher in area like CA and NYC where land is expensive.
        onemoresoop 6y ago
        Wow, 17k per head outside the valley and nyc? Seems exceasive, its the first time i har of this figure. Any idea how much that would be in california/nyc?
        mikekchar 6y ago
        When I was doing some budgeting in London, England several years ago, I found that the monthly rent for a small apartment was similar to the the cost of a desk in the office, so 17k per head sounds about right to me in large urban areas.

driverdan 6y ago

> Not sure if that’s legal Why wouldn't it be legal?

paulcole 6y ago

You don't need to wonder. It literally says that in the article. Even above the paywall.

mc32 6y ago

They gave them the option to stay on if they relocate. Doesn’t say they keep their CA salary though. >“ Most of the layoffs will take place in September and those affected will have the opportunity to relocate and stay with the San Francisco-based company.”

subsaharancoder 6y ago
What are the implications of this in terms of taxes? My understanding is that the CFTB https://www.ftb.ca.gov/ https://www.ftb.ca.gov/ will continue to tax you as a CA resident as long as your employer is based in CA. The laundry list for determining residency is long and in many cases you would end up paying taxes even if you don't live in CA. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2019/10/22/now-california-can-assess-taxes-no-matter-where-you-livereally/#4adf59fa3e7f https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2019/10/22/now-calif... https://moskowitzllp.com/leaving-california-and-the-franchise-tax-board-behind-a-little-qa-on-california-exit-planning/ https://moskowitzllp.com/leaving-california-and-the-franchis...
klenwell 6y ago
The two Stitch Fix stylists that I've known both worked remotely and I got the impression that most of them did. Is that not true? If it is true, how do you relocate a remote worker?
- tyingq 6y ago
  The requirement to relocate makes me wonder if the true reason is to avoid some current, or likely future California labor law. Why not just offer a straight salary cut, since they are already, as you say...remote?
- onemoresoop 6y ago
  In this case perhaps rehire with slashed salary. Some people in need would take it
  - toyg 6y ago
    And resent you forever, as well as likely to leave very soon. It would be a liability.
    - dividedbyzero 6y ago
      That isn't a problem at all in a lot of industries; sure, you may have to coddle tech workers for now, treat them like actual human beings and all that nonsense, but imagine a future where you can treat just like your warehouse staff. Wouldn't that be neat? /s On a more serious note, I know a few companies who do treat their tech people like disposable inventory, on par with the lower-prestige roles, and it works out just fine for them. They don't get highly motivated world-class talent, but they don't need that sort of talent; just someone to take care of their relatively modest IT/dev needs. It's not very efficient across a lot of metrics, but low salaries probably compensate for that. This seems to be a trend across all sorts of industries, less and less jobs that pay well, less employees that get coddled and treated well, commoditize the hell out of every last role etc. – just because it's not a big thing in much of tech yet probably doesn't mean it's an impossibility.

GhettoChild 6y ago

The article I read said that they were going to give their current employees the opportunity to relocate. It did not specify if there was going to be a change in their income though.

barcadad 6y ago
It doesn't make sense to do it if they don't cut their pay.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Apparently they’re not engineers, but stylists. Can the difference in pay for stylists be very large across states?
  - klipt 6y ago
    If there were no difference, what would be the motivation to fire in CA and hire elsewhere? I guess office rent is a factor, but that's probably small compared to salaries.
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      Nothing compared to salaries for engineers. Office space averages $17k a year a head, and it’s probably higher in area like CA and NYC where land is expensive.
      - onemoresoop 6y ago
        Wow, 17k per head outside the valley and nyc? Seems exceasive, its the first time i har of this figure. Any idea how much that would be in california/nyc?
        mikekchar 6y ago
        When I was doing some budgeting in London, England several years ago, I found that the monthly rent for a small apartment was similar to the the cost of a desk in the office, so 17k per head sounds about right to me in large urban areas.