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> Only after a police station was burned down. I feel like that's more coincidence than anything > This happens all over America, all the time. Thread is full

> Only after a police station was burned down. I feel like that's more coincidence than anything > This happens all over America, all the time. Thread is full of links or a quick hop on google will serve you in this regard I bet there is tons of anecdotal data to support any claim. There needs to be aggregated data that shows it's happening in high enough rates to be a "systemic" issue. > Would you merely "lose your job" if you watched your buddy murder a guy and stood there throughout the whole thing? In most countries bystanders are not obligated to assist. So nothing would happen to you?

drewwwwww 6y ago
ah, yes, we’ll use the data collected by the same institutions doing the extra judicial murders. surely they’ve been keeping great notes. and then finally we’ll be able to prove that racism is real to some commenter on hacker news.
- kuzimoto 6y ago
  I'm not saying there can't be police that are racist or even that racism isn't real. But if anyone claims systemic racism exists, they will have to provide more than anecdotal data to support that.
TeaDrunk 6y ago
> There needs to be aggregated data that shows it's happening in high enough rates to be a "systemic" issue. We have aggregated data. We in fact have been building the aggregated data over years. Black people are disproportionately killed by police.0,1. 0. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic... 1. https://policeviolencereport.org/ https://policeviolencereport.org/
komali2 6y ago
> In most countries bystanders are not obligated to assist. So nothing would happen to you? Ooooor you'd be an accessory to murder.
- kuzimoto 6y ago
  It would have to be proven that you assisted in some way.
  - komali2 6y ago
    Preventing others from interfering should count, no? So our most recent case is 1 murderer and 3 accessories to, at the very least.
    - kuzimoto 6y ago
      > Preventing others from interfering should count, no? Sure, but that's not what you asked. I believe the other three will be charged and convicted. At least that what I hope will happen.
      - huonpine 6y ago
        Floyd used a $20 note that the store owner thought was counterfeit, called the cops, the cops didn't even check to see that if it was a real $20 note before killing him. It was real...
        kuzimoto 6y ago
        > the cops didn't even check to see that if it was a real $20 note before killing him. It was real... Do you have any sources for that? I can't seem to find any references for that. According to some reports on the incident, the police at one point went into the store not sure what they did there though.
        grasshopperpurp 6y ago
        Quick note: according to the owner, it was a 17 y/o employee that called the cops, and the store's policy is to only call the cops in response to violence. The employee was fired, and the other employees received additional training.
      - 6y ago

drewwwwww 6y ago

ah, yes, we’ll use the data collected by the same institutions doing the extra judicial murders. surely they’ve been keeping great notes. and then finally we’ll be able to prove that racism is real to some commenter on hacker news.

kuzimoto 6y ago
I'm not saying there can't be police that are racist or even that racism isn't real. But if anyone claims systemic racism exists, they will have to provide more than anecdotal data to support that.

TeaDrunk 6y ago

> There needs to be aggregated data that shows it's happening in high enough rates to be a "systemic" issue. We have aggregated data. We in fact have been building the aggregated data over years. Black people are disproportionately killed by police.0,1. 0. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic... 1. https://policeviolencereport.org/ https://policeviolencereport.org/

komali2 6y ago

> In most countries bystanders are not obligated to assist. So nothing would happen to you? Ooooor you'd be an accessory to murder.

kuzimoto 6y ago
It would have to be proven that you assisted in some way.
- komali2 6y ago
  Preventing others from interfering should count, no? So our most recent case is 1 murderer and 3 accessories to, at the very least.
  - kuzimoto 6y ago
    > Preventing others from interfering should count, no? Sure, but that's not what you asked. I believe the other three will be charged and convicted. At least that what I hope will happen.
    - huonpine 6y ago
      Floyd used a $20 note that the store owner thought was counterfeit, called the cops, the cops didn't even check to see that if it was a real $20 note before killing him. It was real...
      - kuzimoto 6y ago
        > the cops didn't even check to see that if it was a real $20 note before killing him. It was real... Do you have any sources for that? I can't seem to find any references for that. According to some reports on the incident, the police at one point went into the store not sure what they did there though.
      - grasshopperpurp 6y ago
        Quick note: according to the owner, it was a 17 y/o employee that called the cops, and the store's policy is to only call the cops in response to violence. The employee was fired, and the other employees received additional training.
    - 6y ago