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It's pretty much the same (non organization) argument that could apply to most terrorist groups... They're generally confederated. If course most of this that

It's pretty much the same (non organization) argument that could apply to most terrorist groups... They're generally confederated. If course most of this that are in or support antifa are well intentioned and not probe to violence. There are also enough influencers and leadership, or what passes for it in the ranks that insight a lot of damage. It's not dissimilar from the various socialist groups in early 20th century Russia, and has some of the same origins. For dissenting opinions, I'm not a fan of fascism or communism. They are responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. While there are violent white nationalist groups, antifa otherness them by a massive amount… over 70:1 iirc.

eyelidlessness 6y ago
> It's pretty much the same (non organization) argument that could apply to most terrorist groups... They're generally confederated. It's not even remotely the same. "Antifa" is not "confederated" in any way. It's a value position and nothing more. If you are against fascism, you are "antifa".
- tracker1 6y ago
  I can say "I'm anti-peanuts." but if I eat them daily, am I really practicing what I preach. Also, if that's all there is to it, why are there branded merchandise, flags and organizations around antifa? Where does the funding for the antifa actions come from?
  - eyelidlessness 6y ago
    > I can say "I'm anti-peanuts." but if I eat them daily, am I really practicing what I preach. Surely anyone can be inconsistent, ignorant or a hypocrite in their profession of any belief. > Also, if that's all there is to it, why are there branded merchandise, flags and organizations around antifa? Because in capitalism, someone will commodify everything? > Where does the funding for the antifa actions come from? It's unclear what you mean by "antifa actions". If you mean protests, they're not funded at all. People who are anti-fascist attend these demonstrations because they feel personally compelled to speak out about racist injustice. If you mean things like bail funds, organizations working on racial justice and other causes attractive to anti-fascists... we donate to them, at least those of us who have the means.
    - tracker1 6y ago
      Looting and Rioting are not the same as Protests despite the media conflating them. Antifa equates capitalism to fascism as something that must be stopped, the governments and police of included. And that violent means are acceptable to those goals. Who paid for the stacks of bricks conveniently placed throughout the protest areas? Who is ambusing and killing cops in various cities? This behavior should not be encouraged or excused.
      - eyelidlessness 6y ago
        > Looting and Rioting are not the same as Protests despite the media conflating them. Looting or rioting may be protests, depending on whether they're performed in protest or for some other purpose. > Antifa equates capitalism to fascism as something that must be stopped, the governments and police of included. And that violent means are acceptable to those goals. No, it doesn't. You will certainly find some folks who have the believes you're describing, but antifa does not inherently take any of those positions. It only takes the position of opposition to fascism. It leaves the definition of fascism ambiguous, and there are quite a wide range of definitions people use. Antifa takes no position on violence whatsoever. > Who paid for the stacks of bricks conveniently placed throughout the protest areas? In some cases, cops. In many other cases, the stories are completely made up. > Who is ambusing and killing cops in various cities? No clue. > This behavior should not be encouraged or excused. Not sure where you got the impression I was encouraging or excusing this or any behavior other than understanding that antifa is not an organization and its only criteria is opposition to fascism.
        tracker1 6y ago
        Then assume, when I speak to Antifa, I am referring to those who endorse violent action and seek to overthrow the government. Since I don't see a lot of people identifying as antifa that are expressing otherwise. In my mind, the violent Antifa types, which are prominent, are very similar to Jihadist minded islamic extremists. And classifying them as a terrorist group is not much different than ISIS as a terrorist group.

eyelidlessness 6y ago

> It's pretty much the same (non organization) argument that could apply to most terrorist groups... They're generally confederated. It's not even remotely the same. "Antifa" is not "confederated" in any way. It's a value position and nothing more. If you are against fascism, you are "antifa".

tracker1 6y ago
I can say "I'm anti-peanuts." but if I eat them daily, am I really practicing what I preach. Also, if that's all there is to it, why are there branded merchandise, flags and organizations around antifa? Where does the funding for the antifa actions come from?
- eyelidlessness 6y ago
  > I can say "I'm anti-peanuts." but if I eat them daily, am I really practicing what I preach. Surely anyone can be inconsistent, ignorant or a hypocrite in their profession of any belief. > Also, if that's all there is to it, why are there branded merchandise, flags and organizations around antifa? Because in capitalism, someone will commodify everything? > Where does the funding for the antifa actions come from? It's unclear what you mean by "antifa actions". If you mean protests, they're not funded at all. People who are anti-fascist attend these demonstrations because they feel personally compelled to speak out about racist injustice. If you mean things like bail funds, organizations working on racial justice and other causes attractive to anti-fascists... we donate to them, at least those of us who have the means.
  - tracker1 6y ago
    Looting and Rioting are not the same as Protests despite the media conflating them. Antifa equates capitalism to fascism as something that must be stopped, the governments and police of included. And that violent means are acceptable to those goals. Who paid for the stacks of bricks conveniently placed throughout the protest areas? Who is ambusing and killing cops in various cities? This behavior should not be encouraged or excused.
    - eyelidlessness 6y ago
      > Looting and Rioting are not the same as Protests despite the media conflating them. Looting or rioting may be protests, depending on whether they're performed in protest or for some other purpose. > Antifa equates capitalism to fascism as something that must be stopped, the governments and police of included. And that violent means are acceptable to those goals. No, it doesn't. You will certainly find some folks who have the believes you're describing, but antifa does not inherently take any of those positions. It only takes the position of opposition to fascism. It leaves the definition of fascism ambiguous, and there are quite a wide range of definitions people use. Antifa takes no position on violence whatsoever. > Who paid for the stacks of bricks conveniently placed throughout the protest areas? In some cases, cops. In many other cases, the stories are completely made up. > Who is ambusing and killing cops in various cities? No clue. > This behavior should not be encouraged or excused. Not sure where you got the impression I was encouraging or excusing this or any behavior other than understanding that antifa is not an organization and its only criteria is opposition to fascism.
      - tracker1 6y ago
        Then assume, when I speak to Antifa, I am referring to those who endorse violent action and seek to overthrow the government. Since I don't see a lot of people identifying as antifa that are expressing otherwise. In my mind, the violent Antifa types, which are prominent, are very similar to Jihadist minded islamic extremists. And classifying them as a terrorist group is not much different than ISIS as a terrorist group.