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Police brutality is a systemic issue. Peaceful protest over the years haven't changed the system. Charging that one officer doesn't solve it either. The Police

by sagarm 6y ago

Police brutality is a systemic issue. Peaceful protest over the years haven't changed the system. Charging that one officer doesn't solve it either. The Police reaction to these protests clearly shows systemic reform is needed. Peaceful protesters and reporters have been tear gassed, shot, and arrested. They don't deserve to be tret like that just because others decided to vandalize and loot.

stcredzero 6y ago
Peaceful protesters and reporters have been tear gassed, shot, and arrested. They don't deserve to be tret like that just because others decided to vandalize and loot. This is exactly what extremist groups exploiting the protests want. The extremists want to foment violence between the protesters and the police. The situation plays into their hands, because the police have no way of distinguishing who is who. The circumstances are not normal. Rule of Law has broken down. By continuing the protests, peaceful protesters are creating cover for looters and violent perpetrators. Those protesters who are willfully exploiting this situation to "pressure" the authorities are having evil done for their goals. There needs to be another kind of lockdown to prevent the spread of the contagion of violence, the contagion of chaos, and the contagion of injustice.
- yters 6y ago
  cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game get people used to lockdown with the pandemic, then escalate to martial law i predict these riots will only get worse, and will be met with military enforced lockdowns
  - stcredzero 6y ago
    cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game It's been the clear pattern of Antifa and other far left groups. Sowing chaos and preventing discourse is what they've been doing more and more for several years now.
    - yters 6y ago
      ironically, or maybe not, antifa tactics are those most likely to induce a truly facist regime, e.g. how hitler took control
    - throwaway932815 6y ago
      Antifascist action wants to push the country towards fascism? E.g. push Trump to declare martial law and cancel elections? Somehow it sounds unlikely.
kuzimoto 6y ago
> Police brutality is a systemic issue. That's a pretty bold claim. Do you have any statistics to show police are by and large using disproportionate force? > Peaceful protest over the years haven't changed the system. Charging that one officer doesn't solve it either. There are bad people in society. That doesn't mean the whole system is bad. Of course there is room for improvement, and action should be taken to remove those who are not fit to serve. > The Police reaction to these protests clearly shows systemic reform is needed. Peaceful protesters and reporters have been tear gassed, shot, and arrested. They don't deserve to be tret like that just because others decided to vandalize and loot. I agree that peaceful protesters don't deserve that. But let's get this clear, it was violent rioting that was occurring. In that situation, how are you to quickly separate the two groups?
- shigawire 6y ago
  >But let's get this clear, it was violent rioting that was occurring. In that situation, how are you to quickly separate the two groups? The crowd of people slowly marching while getting shot and teargassed or the protesters. Those in the liquor store are the looters. Pretty simple. If firing indescriminantly into a crowd makes it hard to tell these groups apart it sounds like the police tactics need work.
  - komali2 6y ago
    Regardless, it doesn't make sense to brutalize looters. They did this shit during hurricane katrina too - people stuffed into a stadium desperate for aid, people trapped on roofs, and the national guard comes in guns ablaze against looters. It's madness to put "property rights" over human lives. Oh well, the liquor store is getting looted. Sucks that you can't deal with that because there are protests because you are murdering black people. Fix the bigger problem before worrying about property.
- komali2 6y ago
  > violent rioting All of the videos from the last few days is still being sorted, but from what I've seen the violence from police against protesters far outstrips that of protesters against random people or cops. I'm in fact only aware of several incidents, and all of which were easily justifiable - a man firing a bow at protesters, an idiot screaming the n-word at protesters, and a man charging at protesters with a sword. So whenever people say "but riots!" I can't help but question the priorities - can't that wait until after we figure out the police brutality thing? You're only hurting our efforts here, and helping the cops justify the unjustifiable.

by sagarm 6y ago

stcredzero 6y ago

Peaceful protesters and reporters have been tear gassed, shot, and arrested. They don't deserve to be tret like that just because others decided to vandalize and loot. This is exactly what extremist groups exploiting the protests want. The extremists want to foment violence between the protesters and the police. The situation plays into their hands, because the police have no way of distinguishing who is who. The circumstances are not normal. Rule of Law has broken down. By continuing the protests, peaceful protesters are creating cover for looters and violent perpetrators. Those protesters who are willfully exploiting this situation to "pressure" the authorities are having evil done for their goals. There needs to be another kind of lockdown to prevent the spread of the contagion of violence, the contagion of chaos, and the contagion of injustice.

yters 6y ago
cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game get people used to lockdown with the pandemic, then escalate to martial law i predict these riots will only get worse, and will be met with military enforced lockdowns
- stcredzero 6y ago
  cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game It's been the clear pattern of Antifa and other far left groups. Sowing chaos and preventing discourse is what they've been doing more and more for several years now.
  - yters 6y ago
    ironically, or maybe not, antifa tactics are those most likely to induce a truly facist regime, e.g. how hitler took control
  - throwaway932815 6y ago
    Antifascist action wants to push the country towards fascism? E.g. push Trump to declare martial law and cancel elections? Somehow it sounds unlikely.

kuzimoto 6y ago

> Police brutality is a systemic issue. That's a pretty bold claim. Do you have any statistics to show police are by and large using disproportionate force? > Peaceful protest over the years haven't changed the system. Charging that one officer doesn't solve it either. There are bad people in society. That doesn't mean the whole system is bad. Of course there is room for improvement, and action should be taken to remove those who are not fit to serve. > The Police reaction to these protests clearly shows systemic reform is needed. Peaceful protesters and reporters have been tear gassed, shot, and arrested. They don't deserve to be tret like that just because others decided to vandalize and loot. I agree that peaceful protesters don't deserve that. But let's get this clear, it was violent rioting that was occurring. In that situation, how are you to quickly separate the two groups?

shigawire 6y ago
>But let's get this clear, it was violent rioting that was occurring. In that situation, how are you to quickly separate the two groups? The crowd of people slowly marching while getting shot and teargassed or the protesters. Those in the liquor store are the looters. Pretty simple. If firing indescriminantly into a crowd makes it hard to tell these groups apart it sounds like the police tactics need work.
- komali2 6y ago
  Regardless, it doesn't make sense to brutalize looters. They did this shit during hurricane katrina too - people stuffed into a stadium desperate for aid, people trapped on roofs, and the national guard comes in guns ablaze against looters. It's madness to put "property rights" over human lives. Oh well, the liquor store is getting looted. Sucks that you can't deal with that because there are protests because you are murdering black people. Fix the bigger problem before worrying about property.
komali2 6y ago
> violent rioting All of the videos from the last few days is still being sorted, but from what I've seen the violence from police against protesters far outstrips that of protesters against random people or cops. I'm in fact only aware of several incidents, and all of which were easily justifiable - a man firing a bow at protesters, an idiot screaming the n-word at protesters, and a man charging at protesters with a sword. So whenever people say "but riots!" I can't help but question the priorities - can't that wait until after we figure out the police brutality thing? You're only hurting our efforts here, and helping the cops justify the unjustifiable.