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> You say violence is violence, yet I bet you have no problem with criminals being put in jail, i.e. their freedoms being violently removed from them. When you

> You say violence is violence, yet I bet you have no problem with criminals being put in jail, i.e. their freedoms being violently removed from them. When you commit a crime and violate someone's freemdoms (the primary being right to life, liberty, property), you forfeit your own. When you kill someone and take their life, you steal or destroy property, you are now in debt to society. By living in a society you agree to its rules and when the rules are broken a price must be paid to deter others from breaking them. Just because someone broke the rules, doesn't mean that everyone else gets to. The police officer was in the wrong. He was arrested, and charged. He will pay for what he did. Be the change you want to see. Protest in a way that doesn't harm others. Many lost business and their livelihoods due to the destruction. What did they do to deserve that?

boomboomsubban 6y ago
>primary being right to life, liberty, property), How does the "pursuit of happiness" become "property?"
- kuzimoto 6y ago
  I think a better question is how did "property" become "the pursuit of happiness"? I believe that property rights are a core principal of American freedoms. Otherwise there would not be 'just compensation' for it in the constitution.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    The Fifth Amendment came around fifteen years after the Declaration of Independence.
TuringNYC 6y ago
>> The police officer was in the wrong. He was arrested, and charged. He will pay for what he did. "He will pay for what he did." You seem to have certain knowledge of the future. Dismissively saying everything will be OK does not actually make it happen. I'm only going from past experience: If anything is learned from the many times this story has played out in the past, the cops wont wont pay. In fact, until an independent investigation: the cops were well on their way to freedom: "The criminal complaint said that the autopsy “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” Mr. Floyd, the complaint said, had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease." https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-autopsy-michael-baden.html https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-autopsy-michael... These are things people are protesting: 0. That a video has to exist 1. That nationwide protests need to happen before an officer is charged 2. That when it happens, many non-PoC say "oh he probably did something wrong [thus i dont care if the alleged criminal was killed]" 3. That when it happens, non-PoC say "oh it will be OK" knowing full well their own children will never be subject to this type of treatment. People are not angry about this incident only they are angry about it happening over and over and over w/o any real systemic change.
sagarm 6y ago
Police brutality is a systemic issue. Peaceful protest over the years haven't changed the system. Charging that one officer doesn't solve it either. The Police reaction to these protests clearly shows systemic reform is needed. Peaceful protesters and reporters have been tear gassed, shot, and arrested. They don't deserve to be tret like that just because others decided to vandalize and loot.
- stcredzero 6y ago
  Peaceful protesters and reporters have been tear gassed, shot, and arrested. They don't deserve to be tret like that just because others decided to vandalize and loot. This is exactly what extremist groups exploiting the protests want. The extremists want to foment violence between the protesters and the police. The situation plays into their hands, because the police have no way of distinguishing who is who. The circumstances are not normal. Rule of Law has broken down. By continuing the protests, peaceful protesters are creating cover for looters and violent perpetrators. Those protesters who are willfully exploiting this situation to "pressure" the authorities are having evil done for their goals. There needs to be another kind of lockdown to prevent the spread of the contagion of violence, the contagion of chaos, and the contagion of injustice.
  - yters 6y ago
    cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game get people used to lockdown with the pandemic, then escalate to martial law i predict these riots will only get worse, and will be met with military enforced lockdowns
    - stcredzero 6y ago
      cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game It's been the clear pattern of Antifa and other far left groups. Sowing chaos and preventing discourse is what they've been doing more and more for several years now.
      - yters 6y ago
JohnBooty 6y ago
Protest in a way that doesn't harm others. It hasn't been working, bud. Also the government might try to go after you legally or kill you even if you do things peacefully. See: COINTELPRO, Aaron Swartz, etc.
vkou 6y ago
> He was arrested, and charged. He will pay for what he did. He was only arrested and charged because of the protests.
- kuzimoto 6y ago
  > He was only arrested and charged because of the protests. I have a feeling that would have happened regardless. Do you have a source that shows there wasn't an intent to charge him before the protests?
  - Klinky 6y ago
    Literally that just happened with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, right before George Floyd's murder. Extreme conflicts of interest. These events back-to-back really set the bonfire alight. The immediate outrage over George Floyd's murder, ensuing demonstrations, and demands for charges to be filed probably helped motivate charges actually getting filed promptly. That's definitely not a guarantee however!

boomboomsubban 6y ago

>primary being right to life, liberty, property), How does the "pursuit of happiness" become "property?"

kuzimoto 6y ago
I think a better question is how did "property" become "the pursuit of happiness"? I believe that property rights are a core principal of American freedoms. Otherwise there would not be 'just compensation' for it in the constitution.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  The Fifth Amendment came around fifteen years after the Declaration of Independence.

TuringNYC 6y ago

>> The police officer was in the wrong. He was arrested, and charged. He will pay for what he did. "He will pay for what he did." You seem to have certain knowledge of the future. Dismissively saying everything will be OK does not actually make it happen. I'm only going from past experience: If anything is learned from the many times this story has played out in the past, the cops wont wont pay. In fact, until an independent investigation: the cops were well on their way to freedom: "The criminal complaint said that the autopsy “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” Mr. Floyd, the complaint said, had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease." https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-autopsy-michael-baden.html https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-autopsy-michael... These are things people are protesting: 0. That a video has to exist 1. That nationwide protests need to happen before an officer is charged 2. That when it happens, many non-PoC say "oh he probably did something wrong [thus i dont care if the alleged criminal was killed]" 3. That when it happens, non-PoC say "oh it will be OK" knowing full well their own children will never be subject to this type of treatment. People are not angry about this incident only they are angry about it happening over and over and over w/o any real systemic change.

sagarm 6y ago

Police brutality is a systemic issue. Peaceful protest over the years haven't changed the system. Charging that one officer doesn't solve it either. The Police reaction to these protests clearly shows systemic reform is needed. Peaceful protesters and reporters have been tear gassed, shot, and arrested. They don't deserve to be tret like that just because others decided to vandalize and loot.

stcredzero 6y ago
Peaceful protesters and reporters have been tear gassed, shot, and arrested. They don't deserve to be tret like that just because others decided to vandalize and loot. This is exactly what extremist groups exploiting the protests want. The extremists want to foment violence between the protesters and the police. The situation plays into their hands, because the police have no way of distinguishing who is who. The circumstances are not normal. Rule of Law has broken down. By continuing the protests, peaceful protesters are creating cover for looters and violent perpetrators. Those protesters who are willfully exploiting this situation to "pressure" the authorities are having evil done for their goals. There needs to be another kind of lockdown to prevent the spread of the contagion of violence, the contagion of chaos, and the contagion of injustice.
- yters 6y ago
  cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game get people used to lockdown with the pandemic, then escalate to martial law i predict these riots will only get worse, and will be met with military enforced lockdowns
  - stcredzero 6y ago
    cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game It's been the clear pattern of Antifa and other far left groups. Sowing chaos and preventing discourse is what they've been doing more and more for several years now.
    - yters 6y ago

JohnBooty 6y ago

Protest in a way that doesn't harm others. It hasn't been working, bud. Also the government might try to go after you legally or kill you even if you do things peacefully. See: COINTELPRO, Aaron Swartz, etc.

vkou 6y ago

> He was arrested, and charged. He will pay for what he did. He was only arrested and charged because of the protests.

kuzimoto 6y ago
> He was only arrested and charged because of the protests. I have a feeling that would have happened regardless. Do you have a source that shows there wasn't an intent to charge him before the protests?
- Klinky 6y ago
  Literally that just happened with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, right before George Floyd's murder. Extreme conflicts of interest. These events back-to-back really set the bonfire alight. The immediate outrage over George Floyd's murder, ensuing demonstrations, and demands for charges to be filed probably helped motivate charges actually getting filed promptly. That's definitely not a guarantee however!