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Why is this being posted ?

thephyber 6y ago
I didn't post it, but it's relevant today. Trump tweet-threatened to use the US military in cities where governors have not deployed the National Guard.
- duckMuppet 6y ago
  Actually there are numerous instances of presidents using active duty troops on its own soil. And this doesn't even include the military police or navy/marines which may or may not fall under the act. After designating antifa as a terrorist organization, and with some governors and mayors either inept, reluctant, or both to use law enforcement or national guard to protect the citizens who don't want to be held hostage to the whims of these riots, it absolutely falls within his purview. The 82nd and 101st airborne divisions have experience with insurgencies, most of these terrorists would likely be completely eliminated within several weeks at most.
  - hprotagonist 6y ago
    please seek professional help.
  - freehunter 6y ago
    The president cannot legally declare antifa a terrorist organization: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/31/trump-antifa-terrorist-organization-legal-292785 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/31/trump-antifa-terror...
    - duckMuppet 6y ago
      The legality of antifa as a terrorist organisation aside, there are numerous examples since the civil war of presidents using the military outside the scope of posse comitatus act. It's ironic that you can burn down a business and the political infrastructure says it's fine, yet try to open your salon or attend a church mass and your arrested.
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      Perhaps the Justice Department has discovered foreign ties to Antifa that makes the designation legal.
      - eyelidlessness 6y ago
        Foreign ties like 75 years of postwar philosophical resistance to fascism around the planet?
        Fjolsvith 6y ago
        An organization that says they're anti-fascism doesn't necessarily have to act anti-fascism.
        eyelidlessness 6y ago
        It's not an organization. The literal only feature and requirement of "antifa" is being anti-fascist.
        Fjolsvith 6y ago
        Not what Project Veritas has revealed.
        eyelidlessness 6y ago
        Project Veritas is a comically fraudulent nonsense that has repeatedly fabricated everything it's "exposed". Ayfkm?
  - eyelidlessness 6y ago
    Either: - you know "antifa" is not an organization and therefore isn't one that can be designated as terrorist, or - you don't know that If the latter, you just sound like a really big internet tough guy. If the former, you also know that "antifa" is short for "antifascist" and your clear designation of that as an enemy is also clear signaling that you're in for fascism.
    - PureParadigm 6y ago
      Criticising antifa does not imply support of fascism. Many of those proclaiming to be antifa have committed acts of violence, and there are still some people left in the country who believe in peaceful protest and find violence distasteful. You can be completely against fascism but disagree with the violent tendencies of many who associate themselves with the antifa label.
      - mellow2020 6y ago
        > Criticising antifa does not imply support of fascism. We're not talking about criticizing antifa, but calling it a 1.) terrorist 2.) organization. > Many of those proclaiming to be antifa have committed acts of violence And many people who criticize antifa are fascists, but neither of these facts are an argument for the above. > You can be completely against fascism but disagree with the violent tendencies of many who associate themselves with the antifa label. And how do you get from there to "declaring antifa a terrorist organization"? You have done nothing to explain that leap.
        PureParadigm 6y ago
        I wasn't talking about calling it a terrorist organization. I was responding to the parent: > If the former, you also know that "antifa" is short for "antifascist" and your clear designation of that as an enemy is also clear signaling that you're in for fascism. In particular, I'm responding to "designation of that as an enemy" which is not the same as calling it a terrorist organization. People who oppose fascism and violence may call antifa an enemy for the violence committed and espoused in antifa's name. If someone commits violence against me, or any other innocent people I call allies, then they are certainly my enemy, whether I agree with their ideology or not. You can agree with something in principle (be anti-fascist) but not support particular methods (violence).
  - stonogo 6y ago
    > The 82nd and 101st airborne divisions have experience with insurgencies Years and years of such experience, but not as much with ending insurgencies.
eyelidlessness 6y ago
Glancing at your comments, it does seem like you're conscious of US politics. Do you think it shouldn't be posted because it doesn't seem relevant to the current situation, or because you disagree with the connotations of a legal restriction on this particular use of force?
- cwhiz 6y ago
  It has nothing to do with technology and it isn’t relevant because of the Insurrection Act. At best this link is just misinforming people. See the Reuter’s article below. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-explainer/explainer-can-trump-send-the-u-s-military-to-quell-violence-at-protests-idUSKBN2390BG https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protes...

I didn't post it, but it's relevant today. Trump tweet-threatened to use the US military in cities where governors have not deployed the National Guard.

duckMuppet 6y ago
Actually there are numerous instances of presidents using active duty troops on its own soil. And this doesn't even include the military police or navy/marines which may or may not fall under the act. After designating antifa as a terrorist organization, and with some governors and mayors either inept, reluctant, or both to use law enforcement or national guard to protect the citizens who don't want to be held hostage to the whims of these riots, it absolutely falls within his purview. The 82nd and 101st airborne divisions have experience with insurgencies, most of these terrorists would likely be completely eliminated within several weeks at most.
- hprotagonist 6y ago
  please seek professional help.
- freehunter 6y ago
  The president cannot legally declare antifa a terrorist organization: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/31/trump-antifa-terrorist-organization-legal-292785 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/31/trump-antifa-terror...
  - duckMuppet 6y ago
    The legality of antifa as a terrorist organisation aside, there are numerous examples since the civil war of presidents using the military outside the scope of posse comitatus act. It's ironic that you can burn down a business and the political infrastructure says it's fine, yet try to open your salon or attend a church mass and your arrested.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Perhaps the Justice Department has discovered foreign ties to Antifa that makes the designation legal.
    - eyelidlessness 6y ago
      Foreign ties like 75 years of postwar philosophical resistance to fascism around the planet?
      - Fjolsvith 6y ago
        An organization that says they're anti-fascism doesn't necessarily have to act anti-fascism.
        eyelidlessness 6y ago
        It's not an organization. The literal only feature and requirement of "antifa" is being anti-fascist.
        Fjolsvith 6y ago
        Not what Project Veritas has revealed.
        eyelidlessness 6y ago
        Project Veritas is a comically fraudulent nonsense that has repeatedly fabricated everything it's "exposed". Ayfkm?
- eyelidlessness 6y ago
  Either: - you know "antifa" is not an organization and therefore isn't one that can be designated as terrorist, or - you don't know that If the latter, you just sound like a really big internet tough guy. If the former, you also know that "antifa" is short for "antifascist" and your clear designation of that as an enemy is also clear signaling that you're in for fascism.
  - PureParadigm 6y ago
    Criticising antifa does not imply support of fascism. Many of those proclaiming to be antifa have committed acts of violence, and there are still some people left in the country who believe in peaceful protest and find violence distasteful. You can be completely against fascism but disagree with the violent tendencies of many who associate themselves with the antifa label.
    - mellow2020 6y ago
      > Criticising antifa does not imply support of fascism. We're not talking about criticizing antifa, but calling it a 1.) terrorist 2.) organization. > Many of those proclaiming to be antifa have committed acts of violence And many people who criticize antifa are fascists, but neither of these facts are an argument for the above. > You can be completely against fascism but disagree with the violent tendencies of many who associate themselves with the antifa label. And how do you get from there to "declaring antifa a terrorist organization"? You have done nothing to explain that leap.
      - PureParadigm 6y ago
        I wasn't talking about calling it a terrorist organization. I was responding to the parent: > If the former, you also know that "antifa" is short for "antifascist" and your clear designation of that as an enemy is also clear signaling that you're in for fascism. In particular, I'm responding to "designation of that as an enemy" which is not the same as calling it a terrorist organization. People who oppose fascism and violence may call antifa an enemy for the violence committed and espoused in antifa's name. If someone commits violence against me, or any other innocent people I call allies, then they are certainly my enemy, whether I agree with their ideology or not. You can agree with something in principle (be anti-fascist) but not support particular methods (violence).
- stonogo 6y ago
  > The 82nd and 101st airborne divisions have experience with insurgencies Years and years of such experience, but not as much with ending insurgencies.

eyelidlessness 6y ago

Glancing at your comments, it does seem like you're conscious of US politics. Do you think it shouldn't be posted because it doesn't seem relevant to the current situation, or because you disagree with the connotations of a legal restriction on this particular use of force?

cwhiz 6y ago
It has nothing to do with technology and it isn’t relevant because of the Insurrection Act. At best this link is just misinforming people. See the Reuter’s article below. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-explainer/explainer-can-trump-send-the-u-s-military-to-quell-violence-at-protests-idUSKBN2390BG https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protes...