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Linux Mint 20 "Ulyana" confirms it will not ship w SNAP

36 points by canada_dry 6y ago

greatgib 6y ago
So good! I was always wondering who was the idiot that was thinking that providing the simple 'calculator' as a snap was a good idea. So much resources wasted for nothing. When I compared with the calculator directly installed: - direct: open instantly - snap: takes 4 to 10s to open And I have a top end powerful xps...
app4soft 6y ago
> A self-installing Snap Store which overwrites part of our APT package base is a complete NO NO. That is one more reason to use AppImage instead of Snap (and probably Flatpak) under Linux.
nightowl_games 6y ago
First thing I do will probably be install Snap again. I just cant be bothered. I just want the latest spotify and discord with as little hastle as possible.
- stubish 6y ago
  According to the block, apt will be setup to block snapd from being installed. If I'm reading that correctly, Mint has taken that freedom from you.
  - bayesianbot 6y ago
    > You’ll still be able to install it yourself and we’ll document this in the release notes, but by default APT won’t allow repository packages from doing this on your behalf. So you still are able to install it yourself, it just won't let any other package to install it for you.
- hddherman 6y ago
  There is always Flatpak. Yes, the idea is similar, but the execution seems to be better.
  - app4soft 6y ago
    Use AppImage, Luke!
djhaskin987 6y ago
I for one am glad. I switched back to fedora for the first time in nearly a decade from Ubuntu because I don't like Snap. I don't like that I have to run a daemon just to get access to my installed applications. I found another problem using Snap when using KeepassXC. Browser integration couldn't work because of the isolation that Snap provides. A lot of apps that do their jobs by interacting with your environment all of a sudden become a moot point. It's sort of like how on Windows I still like installing MSIs over using the Windows store nine times out of 10. Anything in the Windows store can do its job by being super isolated and must therefore be a toy. That's not entirely true but it is definitely how I feel about it.
canada_dry 6y ago
Good news. Means I'll likely be switching over to Mint (from Ubuntu 18.04LTS) when Mint releases a long-term support version of 20. Edit: looks like Ulyana is an LTS version [i], supported until 2025. [i] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint_version_history
dbsmith83 6y ago
Finally, some good news. Canonical's poor decisions regarding snap have caused me to switch to Pop!_OS 20.04, and I've been quite happy with it. I'm getting tired of hearing from companies who feel entitled to my machine.

36 points by canada_dry 6y ago

So good! I was always wondering who was the idiot that was thinking that providing the simple 'calculator' as a snap was a good idea. So much resources wasted for nothing. When I compared with the calculator directly installed: - direct: open instantly - snap: takes 4 to 10s to open And I have a top end powerful xps...

app4soft 6y ago

> A self-installing Snap Store which overwrites part of our APT package base is a complete NO NO. That is one more reason to use AppImage instead of Snap (and probably Flatpak) under Linux.

nightowl_games 6y ago

First thing I do will probably be install Snap again. I just cant be bothered. I just want the latest spotify and discord with as little hastle as possible.

stubish 6y ago
According to the block, apt will be setup to block snapd from being installed. If I'm reading that correctly, Mint has taken that freedom from you.
- bayesianbot 6y ago
  > You’ll still be able to install it yourself and we’ll document this in the release notes, but by default APT won’t allow repository packages from doing this on your behalf. So you still are able to install it yourself, it just won't let any other package to install it for you.
hddherman 6y ago
There is always Flatpak. Yes, the idea is similar, but the execution seems to be better.
- app4soft 6y ago
  Use AppImage, Luke!

djhaskin987 6y ago

I for one am glad. I switched back to fedora for the first time in nearly a decade from Ubuntu because I don't like Snap. I don't like that I have to run a daemon just to get access to my installed applications. I found another problem using Snap when using KeepassXC. Browser integration couldn't work because of the isolation that Snap provides. A lot of apps that do their jobs by interacting with your environment all of a sudden become a moot point. It's sort of like how on Windows I still like installing MSIs over using the Windows store nine times out of 10. Anything in the Windows store can do its job by being super isolated and must therefore be a toy. That's not entirely true but it is definitely how I feel about it.

canada_dry 6y ago

Good news. Means I'll likely be switching over to Mint (from Ubuntu 18.04LTS) when Mint releases a long-term support version of 20. Edit: looks like Ulyana is an LTS version [i], supported until 2025. [i] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint_version_history

dbsmith83 6y ago

Finally, some good news. Canonical's poor decisions regarding snap have caused me to switch to Pop!_OS 20.04, and I've been quite happy with it. I'm getting tired of hearing from companies who feel entitled to my machine.