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They don't oppose fascism. Antifa is literally fascism and differs only in its mandate of which speech is allowed and which is not. Indeed the mechanism which y

They don't oppose fascism. Antifa is literally fascism and differs only in its mandate of which speech is allowed and which is not. Indeed the mechanism which you see in all totalitarian movement, from Nazis to ISIS. It's completely at odds with democracy and free speech.

jachee 6y ago
The mission statements of every Antifa group of which I'm aware start with "Protect peaceful protests from violent counter-protestors." Where do you get your information from?
- xupybd 6y ago
  It's the it's okay to punch a NAZI that I don't like. I think it's only okay to use violence in self defence or the defence of others. Not as a method of combating an ideology.
  - thundergolfer 6y ago
    Ok you don’t like it, but how does it compare to having open Nazis marching in your country (presuming you’re American)? Surely you dislike that a lot more? Ideally we don’t have people punching genocidal racists because they don’t exist to punch. But if they exist and they’re marching in the streets, often protected by a police force which is (certainly now) quite obviously full of far right-wing violent authoritarians, I’d have other priorities than condemning the anti-fascist.
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      You may not like it, but in this country, if they're not punching people, they have the right to march. I disagree with Nazis. I abhor their ideology. I also disagree with punching peaceful marchers, even if they espouse a hateful ideology. "I'm going to use violence to take away your right to peaceful demonstrations" is also an ideology I despise.
      - jachee 6y ago
        The Paradox of Tolerance[0] begets a proactive response. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
  - WealthVsSurvive 6y ago
    It's fine that you're a coward, physically, emotionally, intellectually. Violence against a Natzi is fine in my book, and if people some generations ago were more apt, rather than less, towards preemptive violence against the Natzi, fascist ideologies, it may have saved many, many lives. Punch a Natzi, today, save a life tomorrow! Never give them an inch or you'll have to take back a mile in blood! It's the American way, and it's time for the 2nd greatest generation!
  - jachee 6y ago
    Nazis—by simply existing as a hateful-rhetoric-fueled, racist organization—are threatening to the lives and livelihoods of others. Punching them is just proactive defense of those others.
happytoexplain 6y ago
This has not been my experience with antifa. This seems to mostly be a strategic opinion championed almost exclusively by the people who hate them as part of the social politics "war".

jachee 6y ago

The mission statements of every Antifa group of which I'm aware start with "Protect peaceful protests from violent counter-protestors." Where do you get your information from?

xupybd 6y ago
It's the it's okay to punch a NAZI that I don't like. I think it's only okay to use violence in self defence or the defence of others. Not as a method of combating an ideology.
- thundergolfer 6y ago
  Ok you don’t like it, but how does it compare to having open Nazis marching in your country (presuming you’re American)? Surely you dislike that a lot more? Ideally we don’t have people punching genocidal racists because they don’t exist to punch. But if they exist and they’re marching in the streets, often protected by a police force which is (certainly now) quite obviously full of far right-wing violent authoritarians, I’d have other priorities than condemning the anti-fascist.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    You may not like it, but in this country, if they're not punching people, they have the right to march. I disagree with Nazis. I abhor their ideology. I also disagree with punching peaceful marchers, even if they espouse a hateful ideology. "I'm going to use violence to take away your right to peaceful demonstrations" is also an ideology I despise.
    - jachee 6y ago
      The Paradox of Tolerance[0] begets a proactive response. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- WealthVsSurvive 6y ago
  It's fine that you're a coward, physically, emotionally, intellectually. Violence against a Natzi is fine in my book, and if people some generations ago were more apt, rather than less, towards preemptive violence against the Natzi, fascist ideologies, it may have saved many, many lives. Punch a Natzi, today, save a life tomorrow! Never give them an inch or you'll have to take back a mile in blood! It's the American way, and it's time for the 2nd greatest generation!
- jachee 6y ago
  Nazis—by simply existing as a hateful-rhetoric-fueled, racist organization—are threatening to the lives and livelihoods of others. Punching them is just proactive defense of those others.

happytoexplain 6y ago

This has not been my experience with antifa. This seems to mostly be a strategic opinion championed almost exclusively by the people who hate them as part of the social politics "war".