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It seems like there is some serious disinformation/psych ops working overtime across the internet right now; the tone is weirdly hostile. I would hope people wo

It seems like there is some serious disinformation/psych ops working overtime across the internet right now; the tone is weirdly hostile. I would hope people would question the motivation of obviously divisive rhetoric, but it's clear that is a resounding no. As they say, people always buy with their emotions. I'm afraid the days of an open internet are quickly closing.

vsareto 6y ago
There's nothing weird about the hostility, it's to stoke racial conflict.
mysticpipuo 6y ago
You have multiple domestic/foreign actors trying to bring US to its knee. Antifa. Chinese government. Iranian government. Neoliberals. And it’s all happening on Twitter. One feels the pain of a normal American small business person who just needs to operate to survive.
- zebrafish 6y ago
  Isn’t there some far-right group called boogaloo too? And I thought I read something about the proud boys being involved?
  - sio8ohPi 6y ago
    FYI, boogaloo isn't a group. It's roughly a synonym for "the revolution", but with different associations. It's also used as a verb.
- bsanr2 6y ago
  Capital-A Antifa does not exist. It's like saying, "The Geeks are destroying Western culture"; there are people who identify with a broad philosophy and will adopt a label as a signal of that identity, but there is no organization pulling strings, and certainly no one way to be a geek or antifa.
jrobn 6y ago
I agree. We are seeing the weaponization of the internet like nothing before. It's becoming more dangerous than nuclear weapons at this point. When people can't come to a consensus on basic reality and are primed to respond with hate and violence when their reality is challenged. The world is moving quickly into a darker future.
- d-sc 6y ago
  Yeah.. and most people understand why nuclear weapons are dangerous. Meanwhile the internet silently takes over our attention span and values.
troughway 6y ago
You had an early warning and you brushed it aside as conspiracy theory. None of this is new. Agent provocateurs are a known thing. For all his stupid ramblings, long before the days of Twitter and Facebook shitposting, you had Alex Jones running around with a recording crew filming events like the Bilderberg meetings, discussing and laying out all the disinformation and psyops/AP tactics that you're seeing unfold here. Because this same stuff was used, in the past, to discredit people like him. So this whole bleeding heart "open internet" thing strikes a rather dull chord with me in light of 1) how long this has been going on for, 2) how effective it remains.
stcredzero 6y ago
It seems like there is some serious disinformation/psych ops working overtime across the internet right now; the tone is weirdly hostile As someone who has been online since the late 1980's, this sentence can easily apply increasingly to the Internet since around 2014 onwards. I'm afraid the days of an open internet are quickly closing. That ship sailed years ago. You're just not in one of the groups being actively censored or "good as lied about" yet.
- EVdotIO 6y ago
  What I'm talking about is "ACAB", Boogaloo, and other dehumanizing thinly veiled calls for violence against $PICKAGROUP. It's ramped way up recently: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=ACAB&geo=US https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=ACAB&geo=US That's pretty unusual to be mainstream. This will be used for enacting policy, who knows what it is at this point, but it's not going to be "Oh you're shadow banned, kicked off a platform, or discredited by association". I'm talking about the lines of China; you can't say something against the powers that be, if you do, we'll ensure you are financially ruined or sent to jail kind.
  - WealthVsSurvive 6y ago
    Maybe you can try googling ACAB yourself. Try not to seek out the message you want to receive about it, because it will be available there as well. Now cross-reference this with accounts of police violence from the civil war onward, especially in black communities, but ultimately in any community in which those in power have motive to enact violence, fear, and intimidation. The story is long and is storied and is ongoing and is real and is simply information. The phrase, "All Cops are Bastards" is the short form of "militarized police who view their citizenship as the enemy and protect the property of the ruling class will most often result in a culture among the police which is self-reinforcing through flak, violence, retribution." It is anti-fascist. It is the direct opposite of "boogaloo," the boogeymen that fell flat on their faces and tried to start the second civil war through race riots and the disinformation that there were race riots. I personally, have never seen the races more united, united against a common enemy: the US police force.
jimkleiber 6y ago
I think one of the main goals of disinformation is to make us dehumanize others. To believe that they are super powerful evil beings or good but weak beings. So I think one of the best strategies is to remember that we are all humans who ultimately have no idea what we're doing. We are powerful and weak, and mostly hurting other people because we hurt ourselves. At least believing this seems to help me, maybe it will help some of y'all.

vsareto 6y ago

There's nothing weird about the hostility, it's to stoke racial conflict.

mysticpipuo 6y ago

You have multiple domestic/foreign actors trying to bring US to its knee. Antifa. Chinese government. Iranian government. Neoliberals. And it’s all happening on Twitter. One feels the pain of a normal American small business person who just needs to operate to survive.

zebrafish 6y ago
Isn’t there some far-right group called boogaloo too? And I thought I read something about the proud boys being involved?
- sio8ohPi 6y ago
  FYI, boogaloo isn't a group. It's roughly a synonym for "the revolution", but with different associations. It's also used as a verb.
bsanr2 6y ago
Capital-A Antifa does not exist. It's like saying, "The Geeks are destroying Western culture"; there are people who identify with a broad philosophy and will adopt a label as a signal of that identity, but there is no organization pulling strings, and certainly no one way to be a geek or antifa.

jrobn 6y ago

I agree. We are seeing the weaponization of the internet like nothing before. It's becoming more dangerous than nuclear weapons at this point. When people can't come to a consensus on basic reality and are primed to respond with hate and violence when their reality is challenged. The world is moving quickly into a darker future.

d-sc 6y ago
Yeah.. and most people understand why nuclear weapons are dangerous. Meanwhile the internet silently takes over our attention span and values.

troughway 6y ago

You had an early warning and you brushed it aside as conspiracy theory. None of this is new. Agent provocateurs are a known thing. For all his stupid ramblings, long before the days of Twitter and Facebook shitposting, you had Alex Jones running around with a recording crew filming events like the Bilderberg meetings, discussing and laying out all the disinformation and psyops/AP tactics that you're seeing unfold here. Because this same stuff was used, in the past, to discredit people like him. So this whole bleeding heart "open internet" thing strikes a rather dull chord with me in light of 1) how long this has been going on for, 2) how effective it remains.

stcredzero 6y ago

It seems like there is some serious disinformation/psych ops working overtime across the internet right now; the tone is weirdly hostile As someone who has been online since the late 1980's, this sentence can easily apply increasingly to the Internet since around 2014 onwards. I'm afraid the days of an open internet are quickly closing. That ship sailed years ago. You're just not in one of the groups being actively censored or "good as lied about" yet.

EVdotIO 6y ago
What I'm talking about is "ACAB", Boogaloo, and other dehumanizing thinly veiled calls for violence against $PICKAGROUP. It's ramped way up recently: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=ACAB&geo=US https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=ACAB&geo=US That's pretty unusual to be mainstream. This will be used for enacting policy, who knows what it is at this point, but it's not going to be "Oh you're shadow banned, kicked off a platform, or discredited by association". I'm talking about the lines of China; you can't say something against the powers that be, if you do, we'll ensure you are financially ruined or sent to jail kind.
- WealthVsSurvive 6y ago
  Maybe you can try googling ACAB yourself. Try not to seek out the message you want to receive about it, because it will be available there as well. Now cross-reference this with accounts of police violence from the civil war onward, especially in black communities, but ultimately in any community in which those in power have motive to enact violence, fear, and intimidation. The story is long and is storied and is ongoing and is real and is simply information. The phrase, "All Cops are Bastards" is the short form of "militarized police who view their citizenship as the enemy and protect the property of the ruling class will most often result in a culture among the police which is self-reinforcing through flak, violence, retribution." It is anti-fascist. It is the direct opposite of "boogaloo," the boogeymen that fell flat on their faces and tried to start the second civil war through race riots and the disinformation that there were race riots. I personally, have never seen the races more united, united against a common enemy: the US police force.

jimkleiber 6y ago

I think one of the main goals of disinformation is to make us dehumanize others. To believe that they are super powerful evil beings or good but weak beings. So I think one of the best strategies is to remember that we are all humans who ultimately have no idea what we're doing. We are powerful and weak, and mostly hurting other people because we hurt ourselves. At least believing this seems to help me, maybe it will help some of y'all.