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This could be very dangerous. If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies. But worse this could be a bad case of the boy cry

by xupybd 6y ago

This could be very dangerous. If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies. But worse this could be a bad case of the boy crying wolf. Of the government does ever start taking these crazy authoritarian measures who will trust the information reporting it?

trhway 6y ago
>If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies. if only there were government sources that people could trust. Say a twitter of the POTUS ... Though may be the POTUS hiding in the bunker from his countrymen just doesn't have the real information, only his own fears, hate and discomfort of wet pants. Can you imagine an alternative Universe where, instead of hiding from, POTUS comes out on the balcony to the people and makes a speech unifying and healing the nation?
- tiles 6y ago
  You mean a Press Secretary? What we used to use before Twitter?
  - tareqak 6y ago
    The President of the United States still has a Press Secretary who still presents press releases to journalists and takes their questions. They probably also manage the official Twitter account for the White House. Edit/Update: one thing we do have to remember is that the President is tweeting with his own personal Twitter account.
jachee 6y ago
Isn't having a loose association of slightly-organized people who vehemently oppose fascism be declared as a "terrorist organization" already starting down the authoritarian path?
- pingpongproduct 6y ago
  They don't oppose fascism. Antifa is literally fascism and differs only in its mandate of which speech is allowed and which is not. Indeed the mechanism which you see in all totalitarian movement, from Nazis to ISIS. It's completely at odds with democracy and free speech.
  - jachee 6y ago
    The mission statements of every Antifa group of which I'm aware start with "Protect peaceful protests from violent counter-protestors." Where do you get your information from?
    - xupybd 6y ago
      It's the it's okay to punch a NAZI that I don't like. I think it's only okay to use violence in self defence or the defence of others. Not as a method of combating an ideology.
      - thundergolfer 6y ago
        Ok you don’t like it, but how does it compare to having open Nazis marching in your country (presuming you’re American)? Surely you dislike that a lot more? Ideally we don’t have people punching genocidal racists because they don’t exist to punch. But if they exist and they’re marching in the streets, often protected by a police force which is (certainly now) quite obviously full of far right-wing violent authoritarians, I’d have other priorities than condemning the anti-fascist.
        AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        You may not like it, but in this country, if they're not punching people, they have the right to march. I disagree with Nazis. I abhor their ideology. I also disagree with punching peaceful marchers, even if they espouse a hateful ideology. "I'm going to use violence to take away your right to peaceful demonstrations" is also an ideology I despise.
dependenttypes 6y ago
> If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies You do not need lies to distrust the US government. They do a fine job by themselves (and have been doing so for decades).

by xupybd 6y ago

trhway 6y ago

>If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies. if only there were government sources that people could trust. Say a twitter of the POTUS ... Though may be the POTUS hiding in the bunker from his countrymen just doesn't have the real information, only his own fears, hate and discomfort of wet pants. Can you imagine an alternative Universe where, instead of hiding from, POTUS comes out on the balcony to the people and makes a speech unifying and healing the nation?

tiles 6y ago
You mean a Press Secretary? What we used to use before Twitter?
- tareqak 6y ago
  The President of the United States still has a Press Secretary who still presents press releases to journalists and takes their questions. They probably also manage the official Twitter account for the White House. Edit/Update: one thing we do have to remember is that the President is tweeting with his own personal Twitter account.

jachee 6y ago

Isn't having a loose association of slightly-organized people who vehemently oppose fascism be declared as a "terrorist organization" already starting down the authoritarian path?

pingpongproduct 6y ago
They don't oppose fascism. Antifa is literally fascism and differs only in its mandate of which speech is allowed and which is not. Indeed the mechanism which you see in all totalitarian movement, from Nazis to ISIS. It's completely at odds with democracy and free speech.
- jachee 6y ago
  The mission statements of every Antifa group of which I'm aware start with "Protect peaceful protests from violent counter-protestors." Where do you get your information from?
  - xupybd 6y ago
    It's the it's okay to punch a NAZI that I don't like. I think it's only okay to use violence in self defence or the defence of others. Not as a method of combating an ideology.
    - thundergolfer 6y ago
      Ok you don’t like it, but how does it compare to having open Nazis marching in your country (presuming you’re American)? Surely you dislike that a lot more? Ideally we don’t have people punching genocidal racists because they don’t exist to punch. But if they exist and they’re marching in the streets, often protected by a police force which is (certainly now) quite obviously full of far right-wing violent authoritarians, I’d have other priorities than condemning the anti-fascist.
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        You may not like it, but in this country, if they're not punching people, they have the right to march. I disagree with Nazis. I abhor their ideology. I also disagree with punching peaceful marchers, even if they espouse a hateful ideology. "I'm going to use violence to take away your right to peaceful demonstrations" is also an ideology I despise.

dependenttypes 6y ago

> If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies You do not need lies to distrust the US government. They do a fine job by themselves (and have been doing so for decades).