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> cough cough I know of the localized versions of StackOverflow but they hardly are worth visiting. > it is a bit of a chicken-and-egg issue: more content bei

> cough cough I know of the localized versions of StackOverflow but they hardly are worth visiting. > it is a bit of a chicken-and-egg issue: more content being available in English which leads to more people having to learn English and might end up producing English content. It's not an issue, it's awesome. > But this in no point is an exclusive thing. There is nothing that says that if you participate in HN in English that you must always write in English. Obviously. Yet I would never use any other language to name a variable or a function. I would also use English and only English to write a manual for a library I might invent as that would mean most of the developers would be able to read it immediately without me having to waste my time on writing in different languages.

GoblinSlayer 6y ago
Naming a variable? Definitely. Writing a library? Very few people do it, even less do it for global market. Shitposting on reddit? Maybe; you have fewer options with English, because anglosphere is very monopolized. Speaking English in sound? Absolutely retarded.
sanxiyn 6y ago
People considering writing in different languages to be waste of time is part of the problem.
rglullis 6y ago
I think we are talking about two different things. You are talking about uniformity and standardization as being a good thing. I am talking about accepting that input from people in other languages as a way to increase accessibility. Expecting everyone to speak English before being able to make any meaningful work is not that different than expecting only able-bodied people to make any meaningful work. You being shocked that there are non-English speakers working with tech is no different than being shocked by blind programmers.
- mnemonicsloth 6y ago
  That's pretty insensitive. Non-English speakers have the option to learn English. It takes a couple of years, but I know a lot of people who have done it. And I can't think of a better investment. Disabled people do not have the choice to make their disabilities go away. We have to learn to live with it. Compared to what I've already done to try to make my life normal, learning Russian, Urdu and Swahili simultaneously would be much easier.
  - rglullis 6y ago
    What I meant is that some people simply don't speak English and still can be productive while working in tech. There is no reason to be "shocked" about it. That is all. Whether they can learn or not is a different discussion. And I really do not want to get into some "who has it harder?" victimization game, but it surprises me that you don't see the exclusionary nature of expecting people to learn English to study and participate in discussions regarding Computer Science.
    - tcgv 6y ago
      I think it's only fair for people with disabilities to be offended when someone that's not been through the difficulties that they've been through make use of their disabilities for comparisons in making a point. "mnemonicsloth" point is valid. And he's only asking for more consideration, and in a polite manner afaic.
tcgv 6y ago
> I know of the localized versions of StackOverflow but they hardly are worth visiting. Portuguese is my native english but I never use the portuguese version of StackOverflow. The english version content is just so much better that I don't bother looking at the portuguese one. Wikipedia is an interesting case as well, since it's also available in several languages. I tend to favour the english version when looking for content that is somewhat culturally neutral. > It's not an issue, it's awesome. If you're a native english speaker it's really awesome. If you aren't and don't speak the language it's yet another barrier for learning. Even greater if developers that speak your language decide to dismiss it and adopt english at all times. I believe that's the point "rglullis" was trying to make.

GoblinSlayer 6y ago

Naming a variable? Definitely. Writing a library? Very few people do it, even less do it for global market. Shitposting on reddit? Maybe; you have fewer options with English, because anglosphere is very monopolized. Speaking English in sound? Absolutely retarded.

sanxiyn 6y ago

People considering writing in different languages to be waste of time is part of the problem.

rglullis 6y ago

I think we are talking about two different things. You are talking about uniformity and standardization as being a good thing. I am talking about accepting that input from people in other languages as a way to increase accessibility. Expecting everyone to speak English before being able to make any meaningful work is not that different than expecting only able-bodied people to make any meaningful work. You being shocked that there are non-English speakers working with tech is no different than being shocked by blind programmers.

mnemonicsloth 6y ago
That's pretty insensitive. Non-English speakers have the option to learn English. It takes a couple of years, but I know a lot of people who have done it. And I can't think of a better investment. Disabled people do not have the choice to make their disabilities go away. We have to learn to live with it. Compared to what I've already done to try to make my life normal, learning Russian, Urdu and Swahili simultaneously would be much easier.
- rglullis 6y ago
  What I meant is that some people simply don't speak English and still can be productive while working in tech. There is no reason to be "shocked" about it. That is all. Whether they can learn or not is a different discussion. And I really do not want to get into some "who has it harder?" victimization game, but it surprises me that you don't see the exclusionary nature of expecting people to learn English to study and participate in discussions regarding Computer Science.
  - tcgv 6y ago
    I think it's only fair for people with disabilities to be offended when someone that's not been through the difficulties that they've been through make use of their disabilities for comparisons in making a point. "mnemonicsloth" point is valid. And he's only asking for more consideration, and in a polite manner afaic.

tcgv 6y ago

> I know of the localized versions of StackOverflow but they hardly are worth visiting. Portuguese is my native english but I never use the portuguese version of StackOverflow. The english version content is just so much better that I don't bother looking at the portuguese one. Wikipedia is an interesting case as well, since it's also available in several languages. I tend to favour the english version when looking for content that is somewhat culturally neutral. > It's not an issue, it's awesome. If you're a native english speaker it's really awesome. If you aren't and don't speak the language it's yet another barrier for learning. Even greater if developers that speak your language decide to dismiss it and adopt english at all times. I believe that's the point "rglullis" was trying to make.