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Someone told me the other day that they had investigated the Minneapolis police blotter, after the reporting that the majority of people arrested were from out

Someone told me the other day that they had investigated the Minneapolis police blotter, after the reporting that the majority of people arrested were from out of state. That investigation turned up that the blotter didn't agree, and shortly after it was revealed the police issued an apology. Denver made a similar report, but have not made their arrest records public, for some reason...

mcbutterbunz 6y ago
Denver is so far from any other major city outside of their state. Do they expect us to believe that there are hordes of people from Colby, Kansas that drove for hours just to riot? Minneapolis is reasonable considering its the epicenter of the current issue and reasonable driving distance from Wisconsin.
- scaredtobeme 6y ago
  What's so different between Minneapolis and Wisconsin that hordes of Wisconsinites would come to town to do things that Minneapolans would never do? That seems implausible, at least to a know-nothing outsider like me.
  - mcbutterbunz 6y ago
    The only thing I can think of is to show support in the city where Floyd was killed.
    - scaredtobeme 6y ago
      For sure, but why would the Wisconsinites be behaving any differently in terms of violence, looting, etc.? I suppose it could be selection bias. Maybe it takes a higher level of anger to drive a couple hours than to go someplace local, and that's more correlated with violent behavior.
  - LiquidSky 6y ago
    Minneapolis is where the inciting incident, the murder of George Floyd, occurred and thus became the epicenter of the current wave of protests.
gre 6y ago
The police issued an apology? How about we fire someone for this. There have to be consequences or the system doesn't work.
- thephyber 6y ago
  > How about we fire someone for this. There have to be consequences or the system doesn't work. Why do you think people are protesting or rioting? There are a ton of people who feel like their desire to change "the system" is falling on deaf ears. Elections and lawsuits are really the only meaningful power the average person has over those in power. Other than that, it's up to people in power to check others in power via "checks and balances".
  - chepaslaaa 6y ago
    The citizens of the united states of america have a 2nd amendment. I might be naive, but I think most populations around the world would have revolted much earlier if they were armed the way americans are.
    - thephyber 6y ago
      > The citizens of the united states of america have a 2nd amendment. The 2A's only role in US society is to allow some people to buy some small arms some of the time and otherwise doesn't have any place in America until the country falls (at which point all of the laws/amendments are not relevant). It's not like you can use your weapon on a government official and claim under the 2A you were protecting yourself against the government. You still get prosecuted for murder; only jury nullification would save you at that point. > if they were armed the way americans are You forget that our military is the largest in the world with lots of recent experience in {counterinsurgency, counterterrorism, and psychological operations}. They also have some of the best tools for identifying where most people are and are capable of shutting off most mass communications within the US if they needed to. In the end, the political polarization is such that those who own lots of guns tend to be the same demographics who revere police/military/order and are currently in the camp that overlooks / detests the protesters, saying their complaints are overblown. I'm pretty sure that's largely due to a sustained PR effort by the post-WW2 Defense Department including sponsorships of sporting events that are more likely to attract those same demographics.
genghisjahn 6y ago
Is there a link to this or is the some one that told you, like, totes trustworthy?
- linsomniac 6y ago
  Yeah, sorry about being vague. Didn't want to expose anyone to potential dox anyone. In retrospect I should have dropped the source and added the reference.
- thephyber 6y ago
  A number of news organizations (local Fox affiliate, CNN, CBS[1]) verified with the county jail intake database that the first statements of the mayors were inaccurate. Both mayors retracted when contradictory evidence was presented by media. [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-officials-say-most-people-who-acted-violently-at-protests-are-not-state-residents/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-officials-say-most-pe...
  - genghisjahn 6y ago
    Awesome! Thank you. I think we're all a little skeptical of things that easily fit the narrative we want to be true(or not). Having a source helps a lot.
tick_tock_tick 6y ago
The Minneapolis Mayor said that he later apologized after people looked up public arrest records that showed 80+% were from Minneapolis itself. The Mayor gave some dismissing report that he got it from the police department.
ericwood 6y ago
Denver also, as of last year, encrypts its police channels, which makes any sort of outsider oversight impossible.
- junon 6y ago
  This is a Good Thing. Remember the Boston bomber? I don't have a solution, but making all police communications public in real-time only puts innocent people at risk.
  - semicolon_storm 6y ago
    Removing yet another avenue for police accountability & transparency also puts innocent people at risk.
    - junon 6y ago
      In isolated incidents, perhaps. As a general rule, no. Police officers are not evil and crooked as a general rule - only the paranoid or willfully ignorant believe that.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        Police officers organizations are, as a general rule, very strongly actively supported by police officers, and police officers organizations, as a rule, strongly defend officers involved (demonstrably so, not merely accused) in corrupt and abusive acts, not just in terms of assuring adequate legal and administrative representation, but as far as publicly slandering individuals and organizations calling for the general principal of accountability and advancing specific well-founded complaints. Police officers, therefore, are generally complicit, and actively rather than merely passively so, in perpetuating and advancing the culture of unaccountability that fosters abuse and enables those officers who are direct abusers. Most officers may not be direct abusers but that's not the only way to actively participate in promoting abuse.
        6y ago
bilekas 6y ago
Trump turned military on their own citizens after dissidence, instead of trying to calm shit down. Someone told you, not on paper of course but it's not a stretch to believe. Whats easy to believe is the insane underlining racism that exists in the US. Leader of the world ? I think my Grandfather who was a lil racist (innocently enough in my upbringing. Wouldn't shop at a chinese store etc, never would act on it. Never. I imagine he'd turn his grave at the US. The US is probably up there with the most racist country on the planet. That's insane. Might be a close cut though with Russia. All that said, let it sink in, you've a leader who just turned the military on US citizens. The America of the land of the free and brave.. Kinda doesn't apply anymore. Well done America. You destroyed the ideal of what you sold everyone (that works better elsewhere). Been nice knowing you. Enjoy.
- dmoy 6y ago
  Bringing in the national guard (and sometimes even active duty) during riots is the same thing that happened in 1962, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1980, 1992, 1999, etc etc (probably missed a lot). So to the extent that "you've a leader who just turned the military on US citizens" is true, it's also been true for many decades.

mcbutterbunz 6y ago

Denver is so far from any other major city outside of their state. Do they expect us to believe that there are hordes of people from Colby, Kansas that drove for hours just to riot? Minneapolis is reasonable considering its the epicenter of the current issue and reasonable driving distance from Wisconsin.

scaredtobeme 6y ago
What's so different between Minneapolis and Wisconsin that hordes of Wisconsinites would come to town to do things that Minneapolans would never do? That seems implausible, at least to a know-nothing outsider like me.
- mcbutterbunz 6y ago
  The only thing I can think of is to show support in the city where Floyd was killed.
  - scaredtobeme 6y ago
    For sure, but why would the Wisconsinites be behaving any differently in terms of violence, looting, etc.? I suppose it could be selection bias. Maybe it takes a higher level of anger to drive a couple hours than to go someplace local, and that's more correlated with violent behavior.
- LiquidSky 6y ago
  Minneapolis is where the inciting incident, the murder of George Floyd, occurred and thus became the epicenter of the current wave of protests.

gre 6y ago

The police issued an apology? How about we fire someone for this. There have to be consequences or the system doesn't work.

thephyber 6y ago
> How about we fire someone for this. There have to be consequences or the system doesn't work. Why do you think people are protesting or rioting? There are a ton of people who feel like their desire to change "the system" is falling on deaf ears. Elections and lawsuits are really the only meaningful power the average person has over those in power. Other than that, it's up to people in power to check others in power via "checks and balances".
- chepaslaaa 6y ago
  The citizens of the united states of america have a 2nd amendment. I might be naive, but I think most populations around the world would have revolted much earlier if they were armed the way americans are.
  - thephyber 6y ago
    > The citizens of the united states of america have a 2nd amendment. The 2A's only role in US society is to allow some people to buy some small arms some of the time and otherwise doesn't have any place in America until the country falls (at which point all of the laws/amendments are not relevant). It's not like you can use your weapon on a government official and claim under the 2A you were protecting yourself against the government. You still get prosecuted for murder; only jury nullification would save you at that point. > if they were armed the way americans are You forget that our military is the largest in the world with lots of recent experience in {counterinsurgency, counterterrorism, and psychological operations}. They also have some of the best tools for identifying where most people are and are capable of shutting off most mass communications within the US if they needed to. In the end, the political polarization is such that those who own lots of guns tend to be the same demographics who revere police/military/order and are currently in the camp that overlooks / detests the protesters, saying their complaints are overblown. I'm pretty sure that's largely due to a sustained PR effort by the post-WW2 Defense Department including sponsorships of sporting events that are more likely to attract those same demographics.

genghisjahn 6y ago

Is there a link to this or is the some one that told you, like, totes trustworthy?

linsomniac 6y ago
Yeah, sorry about being vague. Didn't want to expose anyone to potential dox anyone. In retrospect I should have dropped the source and added the reference.
thephyber 6y ago
A number of news organizations (local Fox affiliate, CNN, CBS[1]) verified with the county jail intake database that the first statements of the mayors were inaccurate. Both mayors retracted when contradictory evidence was presented by media. [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-officials-say-most-people-who-acted-violently-at-protests-are-not-state-residents/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-officials-say-most-pe...
- genghisjahn 6y ago
  Awesome! Thank you. I think we're all a little skeptical of things that easily fit the narrative we want to be true(or not). Having a source helps a lot.

tick_tock_tick 6y ago

The Minneapolis Mayor said that he later apologized after people looked up public arrest records that showed 80+% were from Minneapolis itself. The Mayor gave some dismissing report that he got it from the police department.

ericwood 6y ago

Denver also, as of last year, encrypts its police channels, which makes any sort of outsider oversight impossible.

junon 6y ago
This is a Good Thing. Remember the Boston bomber? I don't have a solution, but making all police communications public in real-time only puts innocent people at risk.
- semicolon_storm 6y ago
  Removing yet another avenue for police accountability & transparency also puts innocent people at risk.
  - junon 6y ago
    In isolated incidents, perhaps. As a general rule, no. Police officers are not evil and crooked as a general rule - only the paranoid or willfully ignorant believe that.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      Police officers organizations are, as a general rule, very strongly actively supported by police officers, and police officers organizations, as a rule, strongly defend officers involved (demonstrably so, not merely accused) in corrupt and abusive acts, not just in terms of assuring adequate legal and administrative representation, but as far as publicly slandering individuals and organizations calling for the general principal of accountability and advancing specific well-founded complaints. Police officers, therefore, are generally complicit, and actively rather than merely passively so, in perpetuating and advancing the culture of unaccountability that fosters abuse and enables those officers who are direct abusers. Most officers may not be direct abusers but that's not the only way to actively participate in promoting abuse.
      - 6y ago

bilekas 6y ago

Trump turned military on their own citizens after dissidence, instead of trying to calm shit down. Someone told you, not on paper of course but it's not a stretch to believe. Whats easy to believe is the insane underlining racism that exists in the US. Leader of the world ? I think my Grandfather who was a lil racist (innocently enough in my upbringing. Wouldn't shop at a chinese store etc, never would act on it. Never. I imagine he'd turn his grave at the US. The US is probably up there with the most racist country on the planet. That's insane. Might be a close cut though with Russia. All that said, let it sink in, you've a leader who just turned the military on US citizens. The America of the land of the free and brave.. Kinda doesn't apply anymore. Well done America. You destroyed the ideal of what you sold everyone (that works better elsewhere). Been nice knowing you. Enjoy.

dmoy 6y ago
Bringing in the national guard (and sometimes even active duty) during riots is the same thing that happened in 1962, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1980, 1992, 1999, etc etc (probably missed a lot). So to the extent that "you've a leader who just turned the military on US citizens" is true, it's also been true for many decades.