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> The driver is claiming he braked, not the car: "Huang says he slammed on the brakes once he noticed the truck, however, it was too late to stop the nearly two

> The driver is claiming he braked, not the car: "Huang says he slammed on the brakes once he noticed the truck, however, it was too late to stop the nearly two-ton sedan traveling at reportedly 68 miles per hour." The pedestrian is seen in the image, and he has the reaction time to step aside to avoid collision from the Model 3, how was the driver not aware of that and only decided to brake after avoiding him (as seen with locking the brakes)? This seems entirely negligent, and a combination of both user error as well as Tesla's failure in AP obstacle detection. Not sure how it plays out, but I hope it doesn't deter from AP being refined. I'm sure they will have the onboard footage to detect what the driver was focused on before the accident and it will be settled based on that.

mdorazio 6y ago
That's kind of the biggest issue I have with Autopilot - it makes drivers feel far more comfortable relying on it than they should. It's gotten to the extent that in Tesla-dense cities there's a good chance you'll pass a Tesla and see the driver not even close to paying attention to the road. Autopilot is in the dangerous Level 3 domain of autonomous driving where it's good enough for drivers to think it's Level 4 while it happily plows into parked objects once in a while. Personally, on the occasions when I drive a Tesla, I don't even think about turning it on.
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > Personally, on the occasions when I drive a Tesla, I don't even think about turning it on. Same. I only used it when I want to show it to other people. I enjoy the acceleration and the tight steering, especially on the performance model 3, way too much to not play with it. I did 790 miles in one night just driving up from OC to Santa Barbara down to San Diego and back again I was having so much fun. I only stopped for charges along the way and a bite to eat in K-town in LA. > That's kind of the biggest issue I have with Autopilot - it makes drivers feel far more comfortable relying on it than they should. I would argue that's an external factor in personal decision making we can't possibly undo, lest me remove Free Will entirely from Humans. I've seen this in other things as well: when I was in university I often drove without insurance to make end-meet and I took so many precautions before I set off, whereas my girlfriend had insurance and her father owned a dealership so if she got in an accident it was no big deal and since her dad would replace her car if needed she'd often text me while driving (this was during the dumb phone era mind you!) and since she worked as a Physical Therapist was often on the phone while driving to and from worksites. I wouldn't even reach for food or water while driving, let alone a phone, because I was so paranoid of not seeing everything on the road and having a plan B reaction as I was still driving my 75% track car on the street (essentially my entire savings account and Life's savings rolled into one) during my Junior and Senior year of University and I once got pulled over twice in a day before I had enough money to buy a beater to daily. Luckily by then I had reduced my attendance requirements by 1/2 as gas shot up to $5 in SoCal and I got 17mpg highway. I used to commute 65 miles each way, and then left my car in the student parking lot to take the tram to work. I live in Boulder now and there are tons of them around here. I never take the time to look anymore since the Model 3 ramp up. I do know that when I ride on 2 wheels (push bike or motorcycle) that just because they're driving them its no indication they're any more competent than a ICE driver. I just arrived to the conclusion Humans behind wheels are dangerous in general and anything that removes them for them equation is going to be me messy but worth it in the long run.
- xvector 6y ago
  The Model 3 is just so fun to drive that I rarely bother turning it on to begin with!
dirkgently 6y ago
> how was the driver not aware of tha Basically, blame anyone but Tesla, right?

mdorazio 6y ago

That's kind of the biggest issue I have with Autopilot - it makes drivers feel far more comfortable relying on it than they should. It's gotten to the extent that in Tesla-dense cities there's a good chance you'll pass a Tesla and see the driver not even close to paying attention to the road. Autopilot is in the dangerous Level 3 domain of autonomous driving where it's good enough for drivers to think it's Level 4 while it happily plows into parked objects once in a while. Personally, on the occasions when I drive a Tesla, I don't even think about turning it on.

Melting_Harps 6y ago
> Personally, on the occasions when I drive a Tesla, I don't even think about turning it on. Same. I only used it when I want to show it to other people. I enjoy the acceleration and the tight steering, especially on the performance model 3, way too much to not play with it. I did 790 miles in one night just driving up from OC to Santa Barbara down to San Diego and back again I was having so much fun. I only stopped for charges along the way and a bite to eat in K-town in LA. > That's kind of the biggest issue I have with Autopilot - it makes drivers feel far more comfortable relying on it than they should. I would argue that's an external factor in personal decision making we can't possibly undo, lest me remove Free Will entirely from Humans. I've seen this in other things as well: when I was in university I often drove without insurance to make end-meet and I took so many precautions before I set off, whereas my girlfriend had insurance and her father owned a dealership so if she got in an accident it was no big deal and since her dad would replace her car if needed she'd often text me while driving (this was during the dumb phone era mind you!) and since she worked as a Physical Therapist was often on the phone while driving to and from worksites. I wouldn't even reach for food or water while driving, let alone a phone, because I was so paranoid of not seeing everything on the road and having a plan B reaction as I was still driving my 75% track car on the street (essentially my entire savings account and Life's savings rolled into one) during my Junior and Senior year of University and I once got pulled over twice in a day before I had enough money to buy a beater to daily. Luckily by then I had reduced my attendance requirements by 1/2 as gas shot up to $5 in SoCal and I got 17mpg highway. I used to commute 65 miles each way, and then left my car in the student parking lot to take the tram to work. I live in Boulder now and there are tons of them around here. I never take the time to look anymore since the Model 3 ramp up. I do know that when I ride on 2 wheels (push bike or motorcycle) that just because they're driving them its no indication they're any more competent than a ICE driver. I just arrived to the conclusion Humans behind wheels are dangerous in general and anything that removes them for them equation is going to be me messy but worth it in the long run.
xvector 6y ago
The Model 3 is just so fun to drive that I rarely bother turning it on to begin with!

dirkgently 6y ago

> how was the driver not aware of tha Basically, blame anyone but Tesla, right?