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Man, this kind of arguments is getting tiring... It is obvious that 100% of human in the OP situation having no particular medical condition would perform bette

by bsaul 6y ago

Man, this kind of arguments is getting tiring... It is obvious that 100% of human in the OP situation having no particular medical condition would perform better than tesla autopilot. Tesla’s autopilot doesn’t fail because of malfunctions such as short-circuits or bad weather conditions, or anything special happening (as opposed to humans), it fails under perfectly normal condition. You can’t even start to compare autopilot safety performance to people performance unless you work for tesla’s marketing, for the simple reason that no human is in theory authorized to let that thing drive itself without supervision. What you’re comparing is human + autopilot vs only human. What seems extraordinary, is that human+autopilot actually performs worse than just humans in some conditions, such as OP, simply because of the way autopilot was advertized.

atgprime 6y ago
There's a very simple fix, which is to have a human driving and allow autopilot to work only in an emergency, when it detects the car is about to crash. Then you get all of the touted safety advantages, and none of the bizarre accidents.
- bsaul 6y ago
  unfortunately i don't think detecting potential crash is that easy ( and i think it's part of the original problem). eg in OP. There could also be other situation where autopilot think there's a problem when there's none.
dmitrygr 6y ago
> human+autopilot actually performs worse than just humans in some conditions, This is well studied in the aviation field, and an entire subfield of psychology to study this exists called "Human Factors". There are many many fascinating results from studies in Human factors in aviation, but one that I can point out is that humans pay less and less attention as you present them with more and more reliable automation, to a point where automation can start to decrease safety, as humans get so complacent, relaxed, and distracted (my instructor called this "flying fat dumb and happy") that when they ARE called upon to take over and act suddenly, they simply are entirely unaware of the situation and need more time to get the hang of it than there is time before decisive action is needed. Some reading: https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Cockpit_Automation_-_Advantages_and_Safety_Challenges https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Cockpit_Automation_-_Adv... https://www.ise.ncsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Parasuraman_Riley_1997_HF.pdf https://www.ise.ncsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Parasura...

by bsaul 6y ago

atgprime 6y ago

There's a very simple fix, which is to have a human driving and allow autopilot to work only in an emergency, when it detects the car is about to crash. Then you get all of the touted safety advantages, and none of the bizarre accidents.

bsaul 6y ago
unfortunately i don't think detecting potential crash is that easy ( and i think it's part of the original problem). eg in OP. There could also be other situation where autopilot think there's a problem when there's none.

dmitrygr 6y ago

> human+autopilot actually performs worse than just humans in some conditions, This is well studied in the aviation field, and an entire subfield of psychology to study this exists called "Human Factors". There are many many fascinating results from studies in Human factors in aviation, but one that I can point out is that humans pay less and less attention as you present them with more and more reliable automation, to a point where automation can start to decrease safety, as humans get so complacent, relaxed, and distracted (my instructor called this "flying fat dumb and happy") that when they ARE called upon to take over and act suddenly, they simply are entirely unaware of the situation and need more time to get the hang of it than there is time before decisive action is needed. Some reading: https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Cockpit_Automation_-_Advantages_and_Safety_Challenges https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Cockpit_Automation_-_Adv... https://www.ise.ncsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Parasuraman_Riley_1997_HF.pdf https://www.ise.ncsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Parasura...