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The car did eventually detect the obstacle and brake prior to impact, otherwise it would have been a lot worse. What seems weird to me from the video is that t

by elihu 6y ago

The car did eventually detect the obstacle and brake prior to impact, otherwise it would have been a lot worse. What seems weird to me from the video is that there was a person beside the road (perhaps the driver of the overturned truck) waving at cars to stop, and the Tesla didn't detect the pedestrian and slow down, even though he/she appeared to be standing on the edge of the car's lane. It's hard to tell for sure, but it looks like the pedestrian would have been hit if he/she hadn't stepped out of the way.

ProAm 6y ago
>Tesla didn't detect the pedestrian and slow down It's because pedestrians are not an object normally located on an interstate. They need to stop calling it Autopilot. I want to see the data if the drivers hands were on the wheel at the time of impact, and the eye tracking sensor data for the 30 seconds prior to impact.
- reitzensteinm 6y ago
  Detecting a pedestrian where they are not meant to be is exactly when you should slow down. That's a weird choice, so I assume they were having false positives and couldn't leave the detection on.
  - X6S1x6Okd1st 6y ago
    NN are known to have problems with generalizing. There are likely very free Few examples of pedestrians on the high way
    - visarga 6y ago
      Tesla is using a data-engine approach where they source rare situations of interest from the fleet and include them in the training loop. Basically their whole approach is relying on finding and plugging holes. I bet pedestrian detection and accident detection on the highway was covered a long time ago.
      - X6S1x6Okd1st 6y ago
        Hmm I wonder if we could find some counter examples...
- jaxn 6y ago
  There is no eye-tracking sensor.
- losteric 6y ago
  I also want to see the data that "autopilot" was actually on.
BrentOzar 6y ago
> The car did eventually detect the obstacle and brake prior to impact The driver is claiming he braked, not the car: "Huang says he slammed on the brakes once he noticed the truck, however, it was too late to stop the nearly two-ton sedan traveling at reportedly 68 miles per hour." https://www.thedrive.com/news/33789/autopilot-blamed-for-teslas-crash-into-overturned-truck https://www.thedrive.com/news/33789/autopilot-blamed-for-tes...
- mkhpalm 6y ago
  > however, it was too late to stop the nearly two-ton sedan traveling at reportedly 68 miles per hour. Its interesting how the brakes get pumped hard by the pedestrian and let go as he passes him. Willing to bet somebody looks at the data and finds the driver was overriding. I don't own a tesla but I do own 2 cars with forward collision detection and braking. Its pretty scary when your car makes a lot of racket and you look up to see something like a guy in the road. Kind of startles and distracts the mind in ways where I could see somebody focusing too much on that to see a box truck in the road.
- dawnerd 6y ago
  Driver wasn’t paying attention, not surprising. You have to actively ignore the warnings to pay attention or hack together a rig to put torque on the wheel.
  - anoncareer0212 6y ago
    no you're conflating not paying attention with not having torque on the wheel
  - vernie 6y ago
    The average driver's understanding of what that term autopilot connotes is different than a pilot's.
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    I don't understand how paying attention can prevent this sort of thing. Let's say you're paying attention with all your might. You see something up ahead, like an overturned tractor trailer. You expect autopilot will sense it, but you're preparing for it not to. But how do you know it's not going to sense it? Well, obviously, when it hasn't started reacting in a reasonable time. But then it's too late! In order for a human to have time to figure out that the software isn't working it would have to routinely operate with (much) slower reflexes than a human. But then it would be useless, as you can't slow down normal driving, and in any case, that's not how they designed it. The hypothesis that people have unreasonable expectations of something called "Autopilot" seems unnecessary and irrelevant to me.

by elihu 6y ago

ProAm 6y ago

>Tesla didn't detect the pedestrian and slow down It's because pedestrians are not an object normally located on an interstate. They need to stop calling it Autopilot. I want to see the data if the drivers hands were on the wheel at the time of impact, and the eye tracking sensor data for the 30 seconds prior to impact.

reitzensteinm 6y ago
Detecting a pedestrian where they are not meant to be is exactly when you should slow down. That's a weird choice, so I assume they were having false positives and couldn't leave the detection on.
- X6S1x6Okd1st 6y ago
  NN are known to have problems with generalizing. There are likely very free Few examples of pedestrians on the high way
  - visarga 6y ago
    Tesla is using a data-engine approach where they source rare situations of interest from the fleet and include them in the training loop. Basically their whole approach is relying on finding and plugging holes. I bet pedestrian detection and accident detection on the highway was covered a long time ago.
    - X6S1x6Okd1st 6y ago
      Hmm I wonder if we could find some counter examples...
jaxn 6y ago
There is no eye-tracking sensor.
losteric 6y ago
I also want to see the data that "autopilot" was actually on.

BrentOzar 6y ago

> The car did eventually detect the obstacle and brake prior to impact The driver is claiming he braked, not the car: "Huang says he slammed on the brakes once he noticed the truck, however, it was too late to stop the nearly two-ton sedan traveling at reportedly 68 miles per hour." https://www.thedrive.com/news/33789/autopilot-blamed-for-teslas-crash-into-overturned-truck https://www.thedrive.com/news/33789/autopilot-blamed-for-tes...

mkhpalm 6y ago
> however, it was too late to stop the nearly two-ton sedan traveling at reportedly 68 miles per hour. Its interesting how the brakes get pumped hard by the pedestrian and let go as he passes him. Willing to bet somebody looks at the data and finds the driver was overriding. I don't own a tesla but I do own 2 cars with forward collision detection and braking. Its pretty scary when your car makes a lot of racket and you look up to see something like a guy in the road. Kind of startles and distracts the mind in ways where I could see somebody focusing too much on that to see a box truck in the road.
dawnerd 6y ago
Driver wasn’t paying attention, not surprising. You have to actively ignore the warnings to pay attention or hack together a rig to put torque on the wheel.
- anoncareer0212 6y ago
  no you're conflating not paying attention with not having torque on the wheel
- vernie 6y ago
  The average driver's understanding of what that term autopilot connotes is different than a pilot's.
- perl4ever 6y ago
  I don't understand how paying attention can prevent this sort of thing. Let's say you're paying attention with all your might. You see something up ahead, like an overturned tractor trailer. You expect autopilot will sense it, but you're preparing for it not to. But how do you know it's not going to sense it? Well, obviously, when it hasn't started reacting in a reasonable time. But then it's too late! In order for a human to have time to figure out that the software isn't working it would have to routinely operate with (much) slower reflexes than a human. But then it would be useless, as you can't slow down normal driving, and in any case, that's not how they designed it. The hypothesis that people have unreasonable expectations of something called "Autopilot" seems unnecessary and irrelevant to me.