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mhh___ types this while using chrome (open source) on android (open source), after reading their email in gmail and searching for the latest cat dancing videos

mhh___ types this while using chrome (open source) on android (open source), after reading their email in gmail and searching for the latest cat dancing videos on youtube. The sad reality most of the folks who claim never to use google or google never makes something available - almost always hot air. I do remember hotmail and MSN and AOL which preceded gmail, gmail was really pretty great when it came out. I think microsoft may oddly be coming back a bit after the balmar years. I'm not a huge fan of facebook taking over (yuch).

monadic2 6y ago
You’re only considering the (debatable) positives (chrome sucks ass, folks). If you can’t engage in a good faith discussion why bother posting?
- thoraway1010 6y ago
  You must not remember the web before google and google funded firefox!! This whole "google has never done anything" meme just seems ridiculous on its face. Google took on and basically CRUSHED some major market players and powers (Microsoft basically lost the entire web and handset markets from a monopoly position) as a result of google service offerings. Check out how much money they pumped into firefox as well - that used to be a major part of their push vis a vis IE. Regardless of how much google "sucks" - they seem to have at least some things that folks like.
  - monadic2 6y ago
    Right, well given that they HAVE obviously done a lot of things, I would interpret them to mean “they haven’t done anything I’ve liked or wanted or expected”, which is certainly fine to express. I don’t see why this justifies brushing away google’s decline with “but their products have engagement”. It’s like arguing because people buy an iphone, the iphone is the smartphone people want—in reality it’s just necessary and mildly better in some subjective way than the competition.
    - thoraway1010 6y ago
      Again, I think you don't realize how substantially better the iphone was compared to the competition (which then has worked to copy the iphone).
bhhaskin 6y ago
Chrome isn't open source, and a large part of android isn't either (google play services). Gmail is quickly becoming a walled garden itself (anyone who runs their own email service can tell you that). And YouTube is a hot mess.
verdverm 6y ago
I'm definitely a M$ convert (as a long time Linux user, first time Microsoft supporter) They have changed tune and I now call them the biggest COSS company. https://coss.media https://coss.media
- thoraway1010 6y ago
  Interesting - I'd never heard of COSS. I'd thought they were doomed (ie, no linux cloud offering expected, no multi-platform or open source offerings). Windows Mobile did crash and burn, but Azure actually has linux containers (most common type I think) and their other stuff is sometimes open source / linux friendly now - (SQL Server??) it's whiplash for those of us who were around for the EEE period.
mhh__ 6y ago
It's a monty python reference

monadic2 6y ago

You’re only considering the (debatable) positives (chrome sucks ass, folks). If you can’t engage in a good faith discussion why bother posting?

thoraway1010 6y ago
You must not remember the web before google and google funded firefox!! This whole "google has never done anything" meme just seems ridiculous on its face. Google took on and basically CRUSHED some major market players and powers (Microsoft basically lost the entire web and handset markets from a monopoly position) as a result of google service offerings. Check out how much money they pumped into firefox as well - that used to be a major part of their push vis a vis IE. Regardless of how much google "sucks" - they seem to have at least some things that folks like.
- monadic2 6y ago
  Right, well given that they HAVE obviously done a lot of things, I would interpret them to mean “they haven’t done anything I’ve liked or wanted or expected”, which is certainly fine to express. I don’t see why this justifies brushing away google’s decline with “but their products have engagement”. It’s like arguing because people buy an iphone, the iphone is the smartphone people want—in reality it’s just necessary and mildly better in some subjective way than the competition.
  - thoraway1010 6y ago
    Again, I think you don't realize how substantially better the iphone was compared to the competition (which then has worked to copy the iphone).

bhhaskin 6y ago

Chrome isn't open source, and a large part of android isn't either (google play services). Gmail is quickly becoming a walled garden itself (anyone who runs their own email service can tell you that). And YouTube is a hot mess.

verdverm 6y ago

I'm definitely a M$ convert (as a long time Linux user, first time Microsoft supporter) They have changed tune and I now call them the biggest COSS company. https://coss.media https://coss.media

thoraway1010 6y ago
Interesting - I'd never heard of COSS. I'd thought they were doomed (ie, no linux cloud offering expected, no multi-platform or open source offerings). Windows Mobile did crash and burn, but Azure actually has linux containers (most common type I think) and their other stuff is sometimes open source / linux friendly now - (SQL Server??) it's whiplash for those of us who were around for the EEE period.

mhh__ 6y ago

It's a monty python reference