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So much of the frustration in the U.S. is rooted in the mismatch between what civilians want and what elective representatives are doing. Time and time again wh

So much of the frustration in the U.S. is rooted in the mismatch between what civilians want and what elective representatives are doing. Time and time again when civilians express their frustration - like what's going on now in these nationwide protests - our elected representatives tell us to just calm down and "go show your frustration at the next elections if you want to see change". It strikes me as awfully out of touch because that's exactly what we've been doing all along, yet we don't see the results we want. So either it's our fault because we just suck at this voting thing, or there are systemic inefficiencies in our elective representative democracy. Liquid democracy seems to be the ideal form of democracy because it gives every citizen the freedom to vote directly on the issues, or to delegate their vote if they wish. Liquid democracy was not technically feasible in 1787 when the U.S. Constitution was written, but technology has come a long way since then. It's a shame that it's almost considered sacrilege to even suggest that the political system our founding fathers devised over 200 years ago may not actually be perfect in 2020, and could be improved with some modernization.

hectorperez 6y ago
You could also delegate your votes to people without them participating in the platform [1]. For example, you could delegate on Bill Gates because his opinions are already gathered on topics such as a carbon tax and basic income [2]. This data is added by people & bots from Bill Gates' blog, tweets, newspapers, etc. [1] https://hectorperezarenas.com/2019/08/31/2-step-votings-for-liquid-and-augmented-democracy https://hectorperezarenas.com/2019/08/31/2-step-votings-for-... [2] https://agreelist.org/a/basic-income https://agreelist.org/a/basic-income https://agreelist.org/a/carbon-tax https://agreelist.org/a/carbon-tax
bobbydroptables 6y ago
>"go vote if you want to see change". >It strikes me as awfully out of touch because that's exactly what we've been doing all along, Well this is not quite right. Many people (especially young people) actually don't vote, especially in the smaller local elections that elect people like your police chief. The two party system in the US is broken but young people not voting makes it worse. Politics would looks very different if 90% of millennials started showing up to vote. Dare I suggest they might even start running for office?
- colordrops 6y ago
  Many young people don't vote precisely because they see it as being an ineffective way to enact change, since the politicians they do vote for don't implement the ideas they ran on. They also see the establishment doing everything in their power to hobble candidates (read: sanders) that are actually honest, consistent, and striving for the common man rather than corporations and other powerful entities. https://i.imgur.com/F9kdJqL.gif https://i.imgur.com/F9kdJqL.gif https://img1.quotesuniverse.com/quotes/01/noam-chomsky-quote-during-the-whole-neoliberal-period-the-last-generation-both-political-parties.jpg https://img1.quotesuniverse.com/quotes/01/noam-chomsky-quote... People, including the young, are demotivated by rigged games.
  - throwawaycuzrep 6y ago
    As a young conservative, I vote and my President has fulfilled all of the things I wanted. To me, Democrats have been going way too far left and the left wing extremism leaves a bad taste. When you compare Dems in the 80s to now you get a pretty large diff. If you want change you have to research your candidates, hold them accountable with questions, and most importantly, vote!
  - wilg 6y ago
    Is it true that politicians don't do what they ran on? I think that may be a myth. My understanding is the opposite: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-ke...
- JSavageOne 6y ago
  I don't really buy it. Young people overwhelmingly preferred Bernie to Clinton and Bernie to Biden, yet Bernie lost both Democratic primaries. The game is rigged. Also elections are what, every 2-4 years? That's a very infrequent cycle. Currently there are no elections going on at the moment, so what do you want these protesters to do, wait patiently until November?
dllthomas 6y ago
I think it's easy to confuse "mismatch between what civilians want and what elective representatives are doing" with "mismatch between what civilians want and other civilians want", particularly as we exist in partisan bubbles. That's not to say the former doesn't exist, just that we should be careful in how we account. Look, for instance, at the "approval rates" of "congress" versus the approval rates of "my congressperson".
mrmonkeyman 6y ago
Good job voting Trump into office. This clownesque theatre you got going on would be amusing to the rest of the world if it wasn't so damm tragic. Let's blame "the system" instead of looking at yourself. It is a shame it is considered sacrilige to suggest "the people" did this to themselves. Also, what are these magically clear "results" you are speaking of?

hectorperez 6y ago

You could also delegate your votes to people without them participating in the platform [1]. For example, you could delegate on Bill Gates because his opinions are already gathered on topics such as a carbon tax and basic income [2]. This data is added by people & bots from Bill Gates' blog, tweets, newspapers, etc. [1] https://hectorperezarenas.com/2019/08/31/2-step-votings-for-liquid-and-augmented-democracy https://hectorperezarenas.com/2019/08/31/2-step-votings-for-... [2] https://agreelist.org/a/basic-income https://agreelist.org/a/basic-income https://agreelist.org/a/carbon-tax https://agreelist.org/a/carbon-tax

bobbydroptables 6y ago

>"go vote if you want to see change". >It strikes me as awfully out of touch because that's exactly what we've been doing all along, Well this is not quite right. Many people (especially young people) actually don't vote, especially in the smaller local elections that elect people like your police chief. The two party system in the US is broken but young people not voting makes it worse. Politics would looks very different if 90% of millennials started showing up to vote. Dare I suggest they might even start running for office?

colordrops 6y ago
Many young people don't vote precisely because they see it as being an ineffective way to enact change, since the politicians they do vote for don't implement the ideas they ran on. They also see the establishment doing everything in their power to hobble candidates (read: sanders) that are actually honest, consistent, and striving for the common man rather than corporations and other powerful entities. https://i.imgur.com/F9kdJqL.gif https://i.imgur.com/F9kdJqL.gif https://img1.quotesuniverse.com/quotes/01/noam-chomsky-quote-during-the-whole-neoliberal-period-the-last-generation-both-political-parties.jpg https://img1.quotesuniverse.com/quotes/01/noam-chomsky-quote... People, including the young, are demotivated by rigged games.
- throwawaycuzrep 6y ago
  As a young conservative, I vote and my President has fulfilled all of the things I wanted. To me, Democrats have been going way too far left and the left wing extremism leaves a bad taste. When you compare Dems in the 80s to now you get a pretty large diff. If you want change you have to research your candidates, hold them accountable with questions, and most importantly, vote!
- wilg 6y ago
  Is it true that politicians don't do what they ran on? I think that may be a myth. My understanding is the opposite: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-ke...
JSavageOne 6y ago
I don't really buy it. Young people overwhelmingly preferred Bernie to Clinton and Bernie to Biden, yet Bernie lost both Democratic primaries. The game is rigged. Also elections are what, every 2-4 years? That's a very infrequent cycle. Currently there are no elections going on at the moment, so what do you want these protesters to do, wait patiently until November?

dllthomas 6y ago

I think it's easy to confuse "mismatch between what civilians want and what elective representatives are doing" with "mismatch between what civilians want and other civilians want", particularly as we exist in partisan bubbles. That's not to say the former doesn't exist, just that we should be careful in how we account. Look, for instance, at the "approval rates" of "congress" versus the approval rates of "my congressperson".

mrmonkeyman 6y ago

Good job voting Trump into office. This clownesque theatre you got going on would be amusing to the rest of the world if it wasn't so damm tragic. Let's blame "the system" instead of looking at yourself. It is a shame it is considered sacrilige to suggest "the people" did this to themselves. Also, what are these magically clear "results" you are speaking of?