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I have always supported a philosophy of patience when it comes to being right. When entering a new organization, make your case(s) known, but don't push them. I

by synnik 16y ago

I have always supported a philosophy of patience when it comes to being right. When entering a new organization, make your case(s) known, but don't push them. If you are proven to be often correct, over time people will see the pattern, and you will earn respect. Even more so if you don't say "I told you so." On the flip side, if you are pushy and turn out to be wrong, you just shot yourself.

danilocampos 16y ago
Eh, I dunno how much my experience confirms this. I worked for a pretty spastic, rudderless company for awhile. I'd make my case for the right direction. I'd be shouted down. Months later, exactly what I described would be pitched as a new direction, as though it was someone else's idea (and it definitely was their idea, for all practical purposes – I wasn't listened to, so they got there independently). This repeated itself a few times. Now I work somewhere else and it's much better. I'm still not a dick. But maybe the lesson is that if you're continually in disagreement and no one is listening, you're in the wrong place.
- artmageddon 16y ago
  Now I work somewhere else and it's much better. I'm still not a dick. But maybe the lesson is that if you're continually in disagreement and no one is listening, you're in the wrong place. It's good that you're sticking by your principles. These sorts of matters are a two-way street after all-if the other side isn't willing to work as hard as you in seeing eye to eye, then it's time to leave as you did. The trouble I always have is deciding when enough is enough.
- silvestrov 16y ago
  It seems like that there has to be a certain minimum level of manager competence for this to work. If the manager is too blind, he/she will never learn that your ideas are sound. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
- dpritchett 16y ago
  The best way to get people to implement your ideas is to convince them that they were their ideas all along. It sounds like you successfully steered the technical direction of that employer. I understand that it can be unrewarding if no one credits you and you're almost certainly better off at your current gig.

by synnik 16y ago

danilocampos 16y ago

Eh, I dunno how much my experience confirms this. I worked for a pretty spastic, rudderless company for awhile. I'd make my case for the right direction. I'd be shouted down. Months later, exactly what I described would be pitched as a new direction, as though it was someone else's idea (and it definitely was their idea, for all practical purposes – I wasn't listened to, so they got there independently). This repeated itself a few times. Now I work somewhere else and it's much better. I'm still not a dick. But maybe the lesson is that if you're continually in disagreement and no one is listening, you're in the wrong place.

artmageddon 16y ago
Now I work somewhere else and it's much better. I'm still not a dick. But maybe the lesson is that if you're continually in disagreement and no one is listening, you're in the wrong place. It's good that you're sticking by your principles. These sorts of matters are a two-way street after all-if the other side isn't willing to work as hard as you in seeing eye to eye, then it's time to leave as you did. The trouble I always have is deciding when enough is enough.
silvestrov 16y ago
It seems like that there has to be a certain minimum level of manager competence for this to work. If the manager is too blind, he/she will never learn that your ideas are sound. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
dpritchett 16y ago
The best way to get people to implement your ideas is to convince them that they were their ideas all along. It sounds like you successfully steered the technical direction of that employer. I understand that it can be unrewarding if no one credits you and you're almost certainly better off at your current gig.