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CA has the castle doctrine, and many states have stand your ground laws. Nobody plans to shoot anyone, for self defense it is used as a last resort when an intr

CA has the castle doctrine, and many states have stand your ground laws. Nobody plans to shoot anyone, for self defense it is used as a last resort when an intruder continues to threaten the occupant.

thephyber 6y ago
> Nobody plans to shoot anyone So nobody has ever used a gun to commit first degree murder? I don't think you've thought through what you're typing.
- 0x8BADF00D 6y ago
  That’s taken heavily out of context. Nobody plans to shoot someone when in a self-defense situation. Planning to use a gun to shoot someone is by definition a crime, and there is a burden of proof for that.
  - thephyber 6y ago
    Yes and no. I agree that you weren't talking about a 1st degree murder situation, but your wording is still sloppy and the idea you are conveying is inaccurate. > Nobody plans to shoot someone when in a self-defense situation Literally the only way your logic works is if you don't pick up a gun. If you pick up a gun, you are actively planning the possibility of a shoot. Perhaps you are making a mental distinction between shooting a specific person versus shooting any person you find in your house? > Planning to use a gun to shoot someone is by definition a crime, and there is a burden of proof for that. I think we are just sparring over the definition of "planning". Have a good day!
    - 0x8BADF00D 6y ago
      > If you pick up a gun, you are actively planning the possibility of a shoot. That is exactly what I stated earlier. Nobody is planning to shoot someone with malice aforethought in a self-defense scenario. As you say, they are planning for the possibility that they might shoot someone. Those are two very different things. > I think we are just sparring over the definition of "planning". Have a good day! It matters a lot in a legal context. If you state the assertion that “everyone who picks up a gun is planning to shoot someone”, then automatically everyone who ever picked up a gun is guilty of a very specific crime. The distinction matters a lot.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  I read his comment not in an absolute sense, but that most reasonable people do not want to ever use their firearm against another human. But they may encounter a situation that forces them to, and that defending their property/loved ones using a firearm is their right.

thephyber 6y ago

> Nobody plans to shoot anyone So nobody has ever used a gun to commit first degree murder? I don't think you've thought through what you're typing.

0x8BADF00D 6y ago
That’s taken heavily out of context. Nobody plans to shoot someone when in a self-defense situation. Planning to use a gun to shoot someone is by definition a crime, and there is a burden of proof for that.
- thephyber 6y ago
  Yes and no. I agree that you weren't talking about a 1st degree murder situation, but your wording is still sloppy and the idea you are conveying is inaccurate. > Nobody plans to shoot someone when in a self-defense situation Literally the only way your logic works is if you don't pick up a gun. If you pick up a gun, you are actively planning the possibility of a shoot. Perhaps you are making a mental distinction between shooting a specific person versus shooting any person you find in your house? > Planning to use a gun to shoot someone is by definition a crime, and there is a burden of proof for that. I think we are just sparring over the definition of "planning". Have a good day!
  - 0x8BADF00D 6y ago
    > If you pick up a gun, you are actively planning the possibility of a shoot. That is exactly what I stated earlier. Nobody is planning to shoot someone with malice aforethought in a self-defense scenario. As you say, they are planning for the possibility that they might shoot someone. Those are two very different things. > I think we are just sparring over the definition of "planning". Have a good day! It matters a lot in a legal context. If you state the assertion that “everyone who picks up a gun is planning to shoot someone”, then automatically everyone who ever picked up a gun is guilty of a very specific crime. The distinction matters a lot.
throwawaysea 6y ago
I read his comment not in an absolute sense, but that most reasonable people do not want to ever use their firearm against another human. But they may encounter a situation that forces them to, and that defending their property/loved ones using a firearm is their right.