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>I cannot condone violence nor encourage it, but you have to admit that the first few protests and property damage drastically influenced the quick arrest of an

>I cannot condone violence nor encourage it, but you have to admit that the first few protests and property damage drastically influenced the quick arrest of an officer that may not have been arrested or even fired if it didn't happen. But it's not clear that the violence/property damage component was worth it. Nationwide protests and all of the public outcry could have been enough. Hard to tell at this point.

vkou 6y ago
> Nationwide protests and all of the public outcry could have been enough. We've had protests, for separate occasions, happen years and years and decades ago, and it has not been enough. At which point will it be enough? How many more protests will it take? How many more decades will it take? Is anyone still on the fence on 2020 about whether or not bad cops are being protected by their peers and superiors? Do you have a timeline for when this sort of thing will change?
- devalgo 6y ago
  1992 LA Riots caused over a $Billion in damage and 63 people died. Given that the scale of those riots far surpassed anything we're seeing now and given that nearly 30 years later another instance of police brutality preceded the current turmoil isn't it clear that your approach has failed?
  - hackinthebochs 6y ago
    Credit assignment is a hard problem. Let's not trivialize it with post hoc fallacies.
  - bbatsell 6y ago
    LAPD underwent unprecedented reform in the wake of the riots. It’s certainly not a perfect department, but it is exponentially better than it was in 1992. You are making the opposite point you think you are. The riots and DoJ consent decrees are literally the _only_ tactics that have succeeded in the past. The failure after the riots was that we didn’t treat it as a national problem and undertake systemic reform of our policing systems from root to stem.
    - devalgo 6y ago
      >The failure after the riots It would appear that you in fact made my point for me.
frockington1 6y ago
Not to mention that the communities they are destroying don't have a great tax base to begin with. After destroying businesses and property its going to shrink even more.
- wl 6y ago
  The Loop in Chicago, which was recently smashed up almost as well as any, is probably one of the better tax bases.

vkou 6y ago

> Nationwide protests and all of the public outcry could have been enough. We've had protests, for separate occasions, happen years and years and decades ago, and it has not been enough. At which point will it be enough? How many more protests will it take? How many more decades will it take? Is anyone still on the fence on 2020 about whether or not bad cops are being protected by their peers and superiors? Do you have a timeline for when this sort of thing will change?

devalgo 6y ago
1992 LA Riots caused over a $Billion in damage and 63 people died. Given that the scale of those riots far surpassed anything we're seeing now and given that nearly 30 years later another instance of police brutality preceded the current turmoil isn't it clear that your approach has failed?
- hackinthebochs 6y ago
  Credit assignment is a hard problem. Let's not trivialize it with post hoc fallacies.
- bbatsell 6y ago
  LAPD underwent unprecedented reform in the wake of the riots. It’s certainly not a perfect department, but it is exponentially better than it was in 1992. You are making the opposite point you think you are. The riots and DoJ consent decrees are literally the _only_ tactics that have succeeded in the past. The failure after the riots was that we didn’t treat it as a national problem and undertake systemic reform of our policing systems from root to stem.
  - devalgo 6y ago
    >The failure after the riots It would appear that you in fact made my point for me.

frockington1 6y ago

Not to mention that the communities they are destroying don't have a great tax base to begin with. After destroying businesses and property its going to shrink even more.

wl 6y ago
The Loop in Chicago, which was recently smashed up almost as well as any, is probably one of the better tax bases.