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It’s unfortunate that in the current political climate this legislation will likely go nowhere. It would be better to see leadership introduce this.

pm90 6y ago
Leadership isn't the source for all bills that are passed, though. Maybe as a 3rd party member, the bill would garner bipartisan support? I do agree with you that the leadership should be offering some sort of legislative solutions. All we have seen so far is deflection.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  My conspiracy theory is that something else is brewing on the international level that is bigger than these riots. There's been reports of actions by various international adversary militaries. Everyone is extremely busy.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    Could you be more specific? Which adversaries? What are they doing? What do you expect them to do next? And how do you think that relates to the riots, or to this bill?
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      The low hanging fruit is China taking Hong Kong and making threats of violence against Taiwan. Also: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/world/asia/india-china-border.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/world/asia/india-china-bo... It doesn't relate to the riots at all. My point is these things reasonably distract leadership from the riots if we're on the razor's edge away from global nuclear war.
      - mywittyname 6y ago
        China has been interested in forceful reunification with Taiwan for ages. Their military has drafted up plans to retake the island numerous times over the years. Hong Kong has largely served its purpose as a liaison to the West. So it isn't surprising that China wants to reunify with them as well.
        Consultant32452 6y ago
        Well, if it's what China wants then I guess it's fine.
    - noarchy 6y ago
      Possibly Russia? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-documents-reveal-desire-sow-racial-discord-violence-u-s-n1008051 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-documents-reveal-...
- bedhesd 6y ago
  They are not the source, per se, but they are the deciding entity as to what moves in the process. Legislation cannot move without leadership, which includes committee chairs, majority leader, floor leader, whip, etc. Under a very technical way a discharge petition could be brought to force it out of committee, but ..that's extremely rare[0]. [0.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_petition#Uses_since_1985 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_petition#Uses_since_...
pmiller2 6y ago
I agree. This will go nowhere, because established interests don't want to end qualified immunity for cops. I have mentioned in other comments [0] how police do not serve "the public," but, rather, property interests. Until that changes, we won't see any movement in this area. The incentives simply do not align. Edit: added citation to one of my previous comments. --- [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23373890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23373890
- jonlucc 6y ago
  If this is true, then people smashing property is actually the effective way forward. Pressure on property owners should cause them to push elected officials to rein in police forces. I'm not convinced it's true, but it does make me think about the property damage being done in a different light.
  - qbaqbaqba 6y ago
    Property owners will build more walls. Looting is not protesting.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    Sadly, I believe this is the case. Someone else said it more succinctly than I can: > a government that can’t mobilize to house and feed us during a pandemic but can mobilize to beat us whenever we rise up tells you exactly where their priorities are [0] They're right. Look at our reaction to a deadly virus that could easily kill a million people in this country versus what happens when a few windows get smashed, buildings set on fire, and some TVs get stolen from stores. --- [0]: https://twitter.com/uncrushedvelvet/status/1267004002115424257 https://twitter.com/uncrushedvelvet/status/12670040021154242...

pm90 6y ago

Leadership isn't the source for all bills that are passed, though. Maybe as a 3rd party member, the bill would garner bipartisan support? I do agree with you that the leadership should be offering some sort of legislative solutions. All we have seen so far is deflection.

Consultant32452 6y ago
My conspiracy theory is that something else is brewing on the international level that is bigger than these riots. There's been reports of actions by various international adversary militaries. Everyone is extremely busy.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  Could you be more specific? Which adversaries? What are they doing? What do you expect them to do next? And how do you think that relates to the riots, or to this bill?
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    The low hanging fruit is China taking Hong Kong and making threats of violence against Taiwan. Also: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/world/asia/india-china-border.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/world/asia/india-china-bo... It doesn't relate to the riots at all. My point is these things reasonably distract leadership from the riots if we're on the razor's edge away from global nuclear war.
    - mywittyname 6y ago
      China has been interested in forceful reunification with Taiwan for ages. Their military has drafted up plans to retake the island numerous times over the years. Hong Kong has largely served its purpose as a liaison to the West. So it isn't surprising that China wants to reunify with them as well.
      - Consultant32452 6y ago
        Well, if it's what China wants then I guess it's fine.
  - noarchy 6y ago
    Possibly Russia? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-documents-reveal-desire-sow-racial-discord-violence-u-s-n1008051 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-documents-reveal-...
bedhesd 6y ago
They are not the source, per se, but they are the deciding entity as to what moves in the process. Legislation cannot move without leadership, which includes committee chairs, majority leader, floor leader, whip, etc. Under a very technical way a discharge petition could be brought to force it out of committee, but ..that's extremely rare[0]. [0.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_petition#Uses_since_1985 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_petition#Uses_since_...

pmiller2 6y ago

I agree. This will go nowhere, because established interests don't want to end qualified immunity for cops. I have mentioned in other comments [0] how police do not serve "the public," but, rather, property interests. Until that changes, we won't see any movement in this area. The incentives simply do not align. Edit: added citation to one of my previous comments. --- [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23373890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23373890

jonlucc 6y ago
If this is true, then people smashing property is actually the effective way forward. Pressure on property owners should cause them to push elected officials to rein in police forces. I'm not convinced it's true, but it does make me think about the property damage being done in a different light.
- qbaqbaqba 6y ago
  Property owners will build more walls. Looting is not protesting.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  Sadly, I believe this is the case. Someone else said it more succinctly than I can: > a government that can’t mobilize to house and feed us during a pandemic but can mobilize to beat us whenever we rise up tells you exactly where their priorities are [0] They're right. Look at our reaction to a deadly virus that could easily kill a million people in this country versus what happens when a few windows get smashed, buildings set on fire, and some TVs get stolen from stores. --- [0]: https://twitter.com/uncrushedvelvet/status/1267004002115424257 https://twitter.com/uncrushedvelvet/status/12670040021154242...