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> why do you owe them anything? decency, morals, thoughtfulness, that kind of thing > If I gave credit to everyone who influenced the code I write... They di

> why do you owe them anything? decency, morals, thoughtfulness, that kind of thing > If I gave credit to everyone who influenced the code I write... They directly ripped it off. Big companies will try not to pay even when they have money. To not even give the minimum of non-monetary credit is even less reason for me ever to release code under a "what's mine is yours licence".

wayneftw 6y ago
> They directly ripped it off. No, they used some very common and unoriginal ideas that were implemented in AppGet. Can you point out exactly what was "ripped off" here? - https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli - https://github.com/appget/appget https://github.com/appget/appget They're not even written in the same language. And everything done in AppGet has been done before. Yawn > Big companies will try not to pay even when they have money. I will try not to pay, even when I have money. I think this applies to most people. Who wants to pays for something that's already free? I'm not running a fuckin charity over here. > To not even give the minimum of non-monetary credit... They've given it. However, I wonder if during all of this Keivan has credited Microsoft for all of the open source tools, services and frameworks that he's used in his other work???
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  > Can you point out exactly what was "ripped off" here? from his blog "When I showed it to my wife, the first thing she said was, “They Called it WinGet? are you serious!?” I didn’t even have to explain to her how the core mechanics, terminology, the manifest format and structure, even the package repository’s folder structure, are very inspired by AppGet." > I will try not to pay, even when I have money Then people like you will kill off exactly the things they leech off, by pissing off those people who made them from their goodwill. > However, I wonder if during all of this Andrew has credited Microsoft for all of the open source tools, services and frameworks that he's used in his other work??? I don't know, has he? Why raise the question instead of answering it. You're curiously willing to defend microsoft.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    > They Called it WinGet? are you serious!? How many products have "Git" or "React" in their name? Does everybody accuse these people of ripping off Linus Torvalds or Facebook? > Then people like you will kill off exactly the things they leech off, by pissing off those people who made them from their goodwill. Because I don't want to pay for the air that I breathe?? Mmkay. > I don't know, has he? Why raise the question instead of answering it. You should be answering it because you're the one accusing Microsoft without knowing the whole story. > You're curiously willing to defend microsoft. Whenever I see imbalanced, ill-informed or illogical conclusions I speak out against them.
  - michaelcampbell 6y ago
    > are very inspired by AppGet. This is "ripping off" now? Maybe they did steal it wholesale, maybe not, but I haven't seen any evidence (nay, even allegations) of it.
    - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
      > nay, even allegations The allegation is right there. His blog. Which I quoted from. But didn't link to, so sorry, here it is https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/ https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/
      - michaelcampbell 6y ago
        inspiration != theft
  - rdgthree 6y ago
    > "When I showed it to my wife, the first thing she said was, “They Called it WinGet? are you serious!?” I didn’t even have to explain to her how the core mechanics, terminology, the manifest format and structure, even the package repository’s folder structure, are very inspired by AppGet." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet I wonder if he mentioned his name was inspired by the extremely more well known and 22 year old default package manager in linux that happens to be called apt-get. I mean honestly if he's saying that as justification in his blog post, I'm immediately off his team. That's insane. Obviously a layman would think the name was ripped off if they didn't know about apt-get.

wayneftw 6y ago

> They directly ripped it off. No, they used some very common and unoriginal ideas that were implemented in AppGet. Can you point out exactly what was "ripped off" here? - https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli - https://github.com/appget/appget https://github.com/appget/appget They're not even written in the same language. And everything done in AppGet has been done before. Yawn > Big companies will try not to pay even when they have money. I will try not to pay, even when I have money. I think this applies to most people. Who wants to pays for something that's already free? I'm not running a fuckin charity over here. > To not even give the minimum of non-monetary credit... They've given it. However, I wonder if during all of this Keivan has credited Microsoft for all of the open source tools, services and frameworks that he's used in his other work???

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
> Can you point out exactly what was "ripped off" here? from his blog "When I showed it to my wife, the first thing she said was, “They Called it WinGet? are you serious!?” I didn’t even have to explain to her how the core mechanics, terminology, the manifest format and structure, even the package repository’s folder structure, are very inspired by AppGet." > I will try not to pay, even when I have money Then people like you will kill off exactly the things they leech off, by pissing off those people who made them from their goodwill. > However, I wonder if during all of this Andrew has credited Microsoft for all of the open source tools, services and frameworks that he's used in his other work??? I don't know, has he? Why raise the question instead of answering it. You're curiously willing to defend microsoft.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  > They Called it WinGet? are you serious!? How many products have "Git" or "React" in their name? Does everybody accuse these people of ripping off Linus Torvalds or Facebook? > Then people like you will kill off exactly the things they leech off, by pissing off those people who made them from their goodwill. Because I don't want to pay for the air that I breathe?? Mmkay. > I don't know, has he? Why raise the question instead of answering it. You should be answering it because you're the one accusing Microsoft without knowing the whole story. > You're curiously willing to defend microsoft. Whenever I see imbalanced, ill-informed or illogical conclusions I speak out against them.
- michaelcampbell 6y ago
  > are very inspired by AppGet. This is "ripping off" now? Maybe they did steal it wholesale, maybe not, but I haven't seen any evidence (nay, even allegations) of it.
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    > nay, even allegations The allegation is right there. His blog. Which I quoted from. But didn't link to, so sorry, here it is https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/ https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/
    - michaelcampbell 6y ago
      inspiration != theft
- rdgthree 6y ago
  > "When I showed it to my wife, the first thing she said was, “They Called it WinGet? are you serious!?” I didn’t even have to explain to her how the core mechanics, terminology, the manifest format and structure, even the package repository’s folder structure, are very inspired by AppGet." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet I wonder if he mentioned his name was inspired by the extremely more well known and 22 year old default package manager in linux that happens to be called apt-get. I mean honestly if he's saying that as justification in his blog post, I'm immediately off his team. That's insane. Obviously a layman would think the name was ripped off if they didn't know about apt-get.