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For me the worst thing about this entire fiasco is really Microsoft's brazen unapologetic predator behaviour. They've invited Keivan to their headquarters with
by dustinmoris 6y ago
For me the worst thing about this entire fiasco is really Microsoft's brazen unapologetic predator behaviour.
They've invited Keivan to their headquarters with a bait, giving him the wrong impression that they wanted to help him with the project when really they wanted to extract valuable information from his experience. He's been working on AppGet for a while, ran into issues, thought about problems which users are having, dealt with certain challenges and iterated until he got to a certain understanding/vision of his product. This is all very very valuable information not published anywhere in an open source thoughts database. It's just the experience and knowledge that only lives in Keivan's head and Microsoft knew that they had to bait him with some false promises and hopes in order to get access to that information which he might otherwise not have shared with a competitor. Also they didn't forget about Keivan. They knew what they were doing. At the beginning of the process someone put in their calendar to contact him the day before BUILD 2020 to send him this email, which is why he got the email the day before the announcement of WinGet. This was no coincidence.
That is fraud in my opinion. Who cares about his source code, they stole much more valuable stuff from him. Anyone who doesn't see that is ignorant or blind.
Keivan should take legal action.
- hajile 6y agoI'd love to see what turned up in discovery as his lawyers sifted through MS records.
- scott_s 6y agoWhat legal action, though? That is, what did Microsoft do that violates the law? I don't see anything. The code is open source, so I believe they're in the clear there. And I don't think they had a contract with Keivan, so I don't see any breach of contract disputes. To be clear, I think Microsoft acted unethically. But I don't see any obvious violation of the law.
- Lammy 6y agoI don’t need a legal basis to be able to find Microsoft’s actions reprehensible here.
- scott_s 6y agoI agree. But the person I'm responding to was advocating for legal action. Unfortunately, I don't see what legal action to take.
- dustinmoris 6y agoIf something feels incredibly wrong, there's a good chance that it is wrong. If something is wrong, there's a good chance that a good lawyer will find some legal basis on which they could seek for damages. > Unfortunately, I don't see what legal action to take Good for you. Someone else might still feel differently and want to check with a legal advisor to explore their options.
- rishav_sharan 6y agoThat's not how OSS works. And Microsoft is under no legal obligation to hire someone just because they interviewed him. It is a massive ball drop from MS, but there is nothing illegal about it.
- z3t4 6y agoImagine working in an organisation with such a culture. People trying to screw each other over left and right.