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I'm mean I know it would be nice to toss him some money. And it sucks when companies ghost people. But really isn't the point of open source that everyone can d

I'm mean I know it would be nice to toss him some money. And it sucks when companies ghost people. But really isn't the point of open source that everyone can do what they want with the code? And if you're not distributing the actual code, why do you owe them anything? If I gave credit to everyone who influenced the code I write, the file would be huge. Does the world have enough disk drives to hold all the credit where credit is due?

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
> why do you owe them anything? decency, morals, thoughtfulness, that kind of thing > If I gave credit to everyone who influenced the code I write... They directly ripped it off. Big companies will try not to pay even when they have money. To not even give the minimum of non-monetary credit is even less reason for me ever to release code under a "what's mine is yours licence".
- wayneftw 6y ago
  > They directly ripped it off. No, they used some very common and unoriginal ideas that were implemented in AppGet. Can you point out exactly what was "ripped off" here? - https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli - https://github.com/appget/appget https://github.com/appget/appget They're not even written in the same language. And everything done in AppGet has been done before. Yawn > Big companies will try not to pay even when they have money. I will try not to pay, even when I have money. I think this applies to most people. Who wants to pays for something that's already free? I'm not running a fuckin charity over here. > To not even give the minimum of non-monetary credit... They've given it. However, I wonder if during all of this Keivan has credited Microsoft for all of the open source tools, services and frameworks that he's used in his other work???
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    > Can you point out exactly what was "ripped off" here? from his blog "When I showed it to my wife, the first thing she said was, “They Called it WinGet? are you serious!?” I didn’t even have to explain to her how the core mechanics, terminology, the manifest format and structure, even the package repository’s folder structure, are very inspired by AppGet." > I will try not to pay, even when I have money Then people like you will kill off exactly the things they leech off, by pissing off those people who made them from their goodwill. > However, I wonder if during all of this Andrew has credited Microsoft for all of the open source tools, services and frameworks that he's used in his other work??? I don't know, has he? Why raise the question instead of answering it. You're curiously willing to defend microsoft.
    - wayneftw 6y ago
      > They Called it WinGet? are you serious!? How many products have "Git" or "React" in their name? Does everybody accuse these people of ripping off Linus Torvalds or Facebook? > Then people like you will kill off exactly the things they leech off, by pissing off those people who made them from their goodwill. Because I don't want to pay for the air that I breathe?? Mmkay. > I don't know, has he? Why raise the question instead of answering it. You should be answering it because you're the one accusing Microsoft without knowing the whole story. > You're curiously willing to defend microsoft. Whenever I see imbalanced, ill-informed or illogical conclusions I speak out against them.
    - michaelcampbell 6y ago
      > are very inspired by AppGet. This is "ripping off" now? Maybe they did steal it wholesale, maybe not, but I haven't seen any evidence (nay, even allegations) of it.
      - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
        > nay, even allegations The allegation is right there. His blog. Which I quoted from. But didn't link to, so sorry, here it is https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/ https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/
        michaelcampbell 6y ago
        inspiration != theft
    - rdgthree 6y ago
      > "When I showed it to my wife, the first thing she said was, “They Called it WinGet? are you serious!?” I didn’t even have to explain to her how the core mechanics, terminology, the manifest format and structure, even the package repository’s folder structure, are very inspired by AppGet." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet I wonder if he mentioned his name was inspired by the extremely more well known and 22 year old default package manager in linux that happens to be called apt-get. I mean honestly if he's saying that as justification in his blog post, I'm immediately off his team. That's insane. Obviously a layman would think the name was ripped off if they didn't know about apt-get.
thePunisher 6y ago
I agree. And just because it's a company making billions selling software doesn't mean they're obliged to pay you a great deal of money. If Beigi was smart he would've asked them to purchase the copyrights as he's the only one legally entitled to do so. If he's developing his software altruistically he should be satisfied with his credit, well knowing that his project will now be overshadowed by Microsoft's and will eventually pass into oblivion and be forgotten.

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago

> why do you owe them anything? decency, morals, thoughtfulness, that kind of thing > If I gave credit to everyone who influenced the code I write... They directly ripped it off. Big companies will try not to pay even when they have money. To not even give the minimum of non-monetary credit is even less reason for me ever to release code under a "what's mine is yours licence".

wayneftw 6y ago
> They directly ripped it off. No, they used some very common and unoriginal ideas that were implemented in AppGet. Can you point out exactly what was "ripped off" here? - https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli - https://github.com/appget/appget https://github.com/appget/appget They're not even written in the same language. And everything done in AppGet has been done before. Yawn > Big companies will try not to pay even when they have money. I will try not to pay, even when I have money. I think this applies to most people. Who wants to pays for something that's already free? I'm not running a fuckin charity over here. > To not even give the minimum of non-monetary credit... They've given it. However, I wonder if during all of this Keivan has credited Microsoft for all of the open source tools, services and frameworks that he's used in his other work???
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  > Can you point out exactly what was "ripped off" here? from his blog "When I showed it to my wife, the first thing she said was, “They Called it WinGet? are you serious!?” I didn’t even have to explain to her how the core mechanics, terminology, the manifest format and structure, even the package repository’s folder structure, are very inspired by AppGet." > I will try not to pay, even when I have money Then people like you will kill off exactly the things they leech off, by pissing off those people who made them from their goodwill. > However, I wonder if during all of this Andrew has credited Microsoft for all of the open source tools, services and frameworks that he's used in his other work??? I don't know, has he? Why raise the question instead of answering it. You're curiously willing to defend microsoft.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    > They Called it WinGet? are you serious!? How many products have "Git" or "React" in their name? Does everybody accuse these people of ripping off Linus Torvalds or Facebook? > Then people like you will kill off exactly the things they leech off, by pissing off those people who made them from their goodwill. Because I don't want to pay for the air that I breathe?? Mmkay. > I don't know, has he? Why raise the question instead of answering it. You should be answering it because you're the one accusing Microsoft without knowing the whole story. > You're curiously willing to defend microsoft. Whenever I see imbalanced, ill-informed or illogical conclusions I speak out against them.
  - michaelcampbell 6y ago
    > are very inspired by AppGet. This is "ripping off" now? Maybe they did steal it wholesale, maybe not, but I haven't seen any evidence (nay, even allegations) of it.
    - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
      > nay, even allegations The allegation is right there. His blog. Which I quoted from. But didn't link to, so sorry, here it is https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/ https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/
      - michaelcampbell 6y ago
        inspiration != theft
  - rdgthree 6y ago
    > "When I showed it to my wife, the first thing she said was, “They Called it WinGet? are you serious!?” I didn’t even have to explain to her how the core mechanics, terminology, the manifest format and structure, even the package repository’s folder structure, are very inspired by AppGet." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet I wonder if he mentioned his name was inspired by the extremely more well known and 22 year old default package manager in linux that happens to be called apt-get. I mean honestly if he's saying that as justification in his blog post, I'm immediately off his team. That's insane. Obviously a layman would think the name was ripped off if they didn't know about apt-get.

thePunisher 6y ago

I agree. And just because it's a company making billions selling software doesn't mean they're obliged to pay you a great deal of money. If Beigi was smart he would've asked them to purchase the copyrights as he's the only one legally entitled to do so. If he's developing his software altruistically he should be satisfied with his credit, well knowing that his project will now be overshadowed by Microsoft's and will eventually pass into oblivion and be forgotten.