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San Fran is a bizarre place. I'm an Aussie, an Americanophile, and I was in the States for months last year. San Fran was simply unpleasant - the people were ru

San Fran is a bizarre place. I'm an Aussie, an Americanophile, and I was in the States for months last year. San Fran was simply unpleasant - the people were rude (young and old) and everything cost too much. The taxes were insane too. I couldn't bear to live there - Salt Lake City seemed to have the most similar upsides with next to none of the downsides.

Hongwei 6y ago
Canuck here who spends a lot of time in the States (or used to). SLC also has some of the most underrated and inexpensive skiing just 30 minutes out from the airport.
- jakebol 6y ago
  Underrated it is not, just search for Cottonwood Canyon traffic jams to see what skiing really is like here when the snow flies. 30 minutes no traffic, can easily be 3+ hours now.
  - gboss 6y ago
    I'll take three hours over 12 hours which is how long it can take to get to Tahoe from SF on a Friday when it's snowing.
  - 2trill2spill 6y ago
    Exactly, a normal drive from my apartment to Brighton or Snowbird is about 45-50 minutes, I've had several times where it was just short of 3 hours one way, this past season.
mseidl 6y ago
There they have the sexy underwear in Utah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment I used to live in the US, but I'm back home in Germany. I have 0 interest in going back.
- kunai 6y ago
  LDS has some weird and deeply problematic traditions but this is just religious bigotry and elitism. The Catholic Church is known for being an international pedophile ring but we don't shame Parisians for being Catholic. Check yourself.
  - akiselev 6y ago
    France has had laws on the book forbidding religious symbolism on government property for over a century. The Mormon Church, on the other hand, is the most influential institution in Utah politics. I don't agree with the reductionist characterization of Mormons but it's comparable to the Vatican not Paris.
  - staticautomatic 6y ago
    We can't poke fun at a religion because other religions are also worthy of it? Why not poke fun at all of them?
mint2 6y ago
There’s actually people who will be rude or give worse service if they hear it referred to as “San Fran” rather than sf or the full name. I hope that didn’t happen to you.
programmertote 6y ago
> San Fran was simply unpleasant - the people were rude (young and old) and everything cost too much. The taxes were insane too. Tangential, but I feel the same way about NYC. I have lived in SF for ~3 years and have now been in NYC for ~4 years. I guess cities, that are HCOL, tend to exacerbate the (low and high income) class disparities, and maybe also heighten residents' stress and reduce their patience levels?
- vdnkh 6y ago
  Are you a west coast native? As a new yorker (and nj native), I've found that west coasters often think we're rude but I see it as just our communication style. We often interrupt and speak over each other, and really don't like being interrupted on a commute (which is often just walking somewhere). Since working more with west coast devs, I've learned to be "nicer" when communicating. But still have the same habits with my family. To be fair I think that some these habits are good to break.
  - drdeadringer 6y ago
    I grew up on the East Coast. When I moved to the West Coast, I found folks on the West Coast much nicer. One of the first people I met on the West Coast was about to move to the East Coast ... "because everyone's so much nicer there". Either the people are always nicer somewhere else or something else is going on.
aphextron 6y ago
>"I couldn't bear to live there - Salt Lake City seemed to have the most similar upsides with next to none of the downsides." SLC seems nice in theory, until you realize Utah is a theocracy. Not a great place to live for anyone outside the LDS church.
- 2trill2spill 6y ago
  Ohh hogwash, I live in Salt Lake for half the year and I am non religious and I love the place. Salt lake city is one of the best cities in the country for people who love the outdoors, particularly mountains.
- jki275 6y ago
  I assume you're trying to use hyperbole, but there are no theocracies in the US. LDS definitely has a great deal of influence in Utah, but there are plenty of non Mormons who live there and have no issues living there.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  That’s changing rapidly.

Hongwei 6y ago

Canuck here who spends a lot of time in the States (or used to). SLC also has some of the most underrated and inexpensive skiing just 30 minutes out from the airport.

jakebol 6y ago
Underrated it is not, just search for Cottonwood Canyon traffic jams to see what skiing really is like here when the snow flies. 30 minutes no traffic, can easily be 3+ hours now.
- gboss 6y ago
  I'll take three hours over 12 hours which is how long it can take to get to Tahoe from SF on a Friday when it's snowing.
- 2trill2spill 6y ago
  Exactly, a normal drive from my apartment to Brighton or Snowbird is about 45-50 minutes, I've had several times where it was just short of 3 hours one way, this past season.

mseidl 6y ago

There they have the sexy underwear in Utah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment I used to live in the US, but I'm back home in Germany. I have 0 interest in going back.

kunai 6y ago
LDS has some weird and deeply problematic traditions but this is just religious bigotry and elitism. The Catholic Church is known for being an international pedophile ring but we don't shame Parisians for being Catholic. Check yourself.
- akiselev 6y ago
  France has had laws on the book forbidding religious symbolism on government property for over a century. The Mormon Church, on the other hand, is the most influential institution in Utah politics. I don't agree with the reductionist characterization of Mormons but it's comparable to the Vatican not Paris.
- staticautomatic 6y ago
  We can't poke fun at a religion because other religions are also worthy of it? Why not poke fun at all of them?

mint2 6y ago

There’s actually people who will be rude or give worse service if they hear it referred to as “San Fran” rather than sf or the full name. I hope that didn’t happen to you.

programmertote 6y ago

> San Fran was simply unpleasant - the people were rude (young and old) and everything cost too much. The taxes were insane too. Tangential, but I feel the same way about NYC. I have lived in SF for ~3 years and have now been in NYC for ~4 years. I guess cities, that are HCOL, tend to exacerbate the (low and high income) class disparities, and maybe also heighten residents' stress and reduce their patience levels?

vdnkh 6y ago
Are you a west coast native? As a new yorker (and nj native), I've found that west coasters often think we're rude but I see it as just our communication style. We often interrupt and speak over each other, and really don't like being interrupted on a commute (which is often just walking somewhere). Since working more with west coast devs, I've learned to be "nicer" when communicating. But still have the same habits with my family. To be fair I think that some these habits are good to break.
- drdeadringer 6y ago
  I grew up on the East Coast. When I moved to the West Coast, I found folks on the West Coast much nicer. One of the first people I met on the West Coast was about to move to the East Coast ... "because everyone's so much nicer there". Either the people are always nicer somewhere else or something else is going on.

aphextron 6y ago

>"I couldn't bear to live there - Salt Lake City seemed to have the most similar upsides with next to none of the downsides." SLC seems nice in theory, until you realize Utah is a theocracy. Not a great place to live for anyone outside the LDS church.

2trill2spill 6y ago
Ohh hogwash, I live in Salt Lake for half the year and I am non religious and I love the place. Salt lake city is one of the best cities in the country for people who love the outdoors, particularly mountains.
jki275 6y ago
I assume you're trying to use hyperbole, but there are no theocracies in the US. LDS definitely has a great deal of influence in Utah, but there are plenty of non Mormons who live there and have no issues living there.
ashtonkem 6y ago
That’s changing rapidly.