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'He went for an interview at Microsoft's Redmond headquarters in December, which apparently "went well", but Andrew didn't inform him he would not get the job

'He went for an interview at Microsoft's Redmond headquarters in December, which apparently "went well", but Andrew didn't inform him he would not get the job at Microsoft until six months later – on the day before the WinGet preview would be unveiled at Build 2020. ' This is bullshit. Keep him quiet with the hope of a job (embrace) until they release their version (extend, extinguish). Changing CEOs doesn't change everyone who works there.

macspoofing 6y ago
That's not how "embrace, extend, extinguish" works. That practice is in the context of standards, and not products. Microsoft was perfectly in its right to build a package manager. They based it on an open-source version that allowed copying and forking. So no issue there either. They did string the developer along, but I'm not sure it was anything nefarious. I think the people at MS who were looking to acquihire Keivan ran into roadblocks at MS from higher-ups for whatever reason and it just fell apart. It probably wasn't a nefarious strategy to string Keivan along in order to boost their WinGet announcement - but just general inconsideration and rudeness in not communicating.
Voloskaya 6y ago
Can we please stop trying to slide in an EEE reference everytime something comes up about MS? You have clearly embraced EEE, but now you are extending it way past what it actually means, and if people like you continue you will extinguish it because it will not mean anything anymore. Please don't EEE EEE.
- dustinmoris 6y ago
  > Can we please stop trying to slide in an EEE reference everytime something comes up about MS? Agreed and also this AppGet story wasn't EEE anyways. It was just a plain good old "Fuck you". There was no embrace or extend at any point :)
- Lammy 6y ago
  We can stop talking about EEE when Microsoft stop practicing it. This time is just with regard to a community instead of a particular software product. WinGet is the “Extend” step where they overtake AppGet in usage and probably in package registrations until AppGet withers and eventually Extinguishes itself.
  - Voloskaya 6y ago
    That's not remotely what EEE is about, which is my point. EEE refers to a specific business practice that is not related to this story at all. You can use other words in the language to convey that this particular move from MS is a dick move without having to use EEE. And reserve talking about EEE when it is actually relevant. Using it all the time just completly dilute it until it becomes totally meaningless.
    - Lammy 6y ago
      How is it not? WinGet : AppGet :: MSJVM : HotSpot
- lallysingh 6y ago
  Do you have an official pedant's guide to EEE?

macspoofing 6y ago

That's not how "embrace, extend, extinguish" works. That practice is in the context of standards, and not products. Microsoft was perfectly in its right to build a package manager. They based it on an open-source version that allowed copying and forking. So no issue there either. They did string the developer along, but I'm not sure it was anything nefarious. I think the people at MS who were looking to acquihire Keivan ran into roadblocks at MS from higher-ups for whatever reason and it just fell apart. It probably wasn't a nefarious strategy to string Keivan along in order to boost their WinGet announcement - but just general inconsideration and rudeness in not communicating.

Voloskaya 6y ago

Can we please stop trying to slide in an EEE reference everytime something comes up about MS? You have clearly embraced EEE, but now you are extending it way past what it actually means, and if people like you continue you will extinguish it because it will not mean anything anymore. Please don't EEE EEE.

dustinmoris 6y ago
> Can we please stop trying to slide in an EEE reference everytime something comes up about MS? Agreed and also this AppGet story wasn't EEE anyways. It was just a plain good old "Fuck you". There was no embrace or extend at any point :)
Lammy 6y ago
We can stop talking about EEE when Microsoft stop practicing it. This time is just with regard to a community instead of a particular software product. WinGet is the “Extend” step where they overtake AppGet in usage and probably in package registrations until AppGet withers and eventually Extinguishes itself.
- Voloskaya 6y ago
  That's not remotely what EEE is about, which is my point. EEE refers to a specific business practice that is not related to this story at all. You can use other words in the language to convey that this particular move from MS is a dick move without having to use EEE. And reserve talking about EEE when it is actually relevant. Using it all the time just completly dilute it until it becomes totally meaningless.
  - Lammy 6y ago
    How is it not? WinGet : AppGet :: MSJVM : HotSpot
lallysingh 6y ago
Do you have an official pedant's guide to EEE?