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I provided clear examples of laws being broken, people not being held accountable, and people like you not caring when it's someone on your side pulling the str

I provided clear examples of laws being broken, people not being held accountable, and people like you not caring when it's someone on your side pulling the strings. Now another guy is in charge. This isn't new.

nl 6y ago
Where did you provide clear examples? If you mean Hillary Clinton then you do realize there have been six separate investigations and no charges. Did you know that what happened in the Clinton case is not an uncommon occurrence? Did you know that Bush did the same thing[1]? And Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump did the same?[2] In all these cases it's not the right thing to do, but nor is it criminal. And what is this "people like you" attack? The Marc Rich case is something I'll condemn Bill Clinton for any day of the week - it's a complete miscarriage of justice and I wish there was a way it could be reversed. I'm not aware of anything like that from the Obama era but it's possible I've missed it. Justice matters much more than politics. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controv... [2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/cummings-jared-kushner-and-ivanka-trumps-private-emails-texts-raise-security-concerns https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/cummings-jared-kushner...
- moduspol 6y ago
  > Where did you provide clear examples? If you mean Hillary Clinton then you do realize there have been six separate investigations and no charges. The "no charges" part is the problem. Per the Wikipedia page [1]: > An FBI examination of Clinton's server found over 100 emails containing classified information, including 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret". An additional 2,093 emails not marked classified were retroactively classified by the State Department. This is against the law. No charges were made. Do you seriously want me to link you to Wikipedia pages for the cases I referenced or are you capable of finding them yourself? > Did you know that what happened in the Clinton case is not an uncommon occurrence? Did you know that Bush did the same thing? And Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump did the same? So I guess it's your turn for whataboutism? It was your point that things have changed now and the rule of law means less. It was my point that things haven't changed as much as you think they have, because they were happening in the prior administration. You are supporting my point. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controve...
  - nl 6y ago
    I think everyone has been over this a million times, and it applies to all these cases. None of them have a criminal case to argue. That's the exact point - and it's the exact opposite of whataboutism! I'll leave this here: Because the government is awash in secrets, they are regularly mishandled unintentionally. In 2013, according to the National Archives, which tracks classification, executive branch agencies created more than 77 million documents with secrets in them, including 46,800 with newly created secrets. The FBI receives dozens of referrals of leaked classified information every year, according to Justice Department declarations to Congress. Prosecutors have also been wary of testing whether broad prosecutions under the espionage laws would hold up in court, especially in cases of news organizations pursuing Secret or Top Secret information for publication. In the Clinton probe, investigators found that at least some of the classified information referred to was contained in a newspaper article that aides then forwarded to Clinton https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4394178/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-investigation/%3famp=true https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4394178/hillary-clinto...

nl 6y ago

Where did you provide clear examples? If you mean Hillary Clinton then you do realize there have been six separate investigations and no charges. Did you know that what happened in the Clinton case is not an uncommon occurrence? Did you know that Bush did the same thing[1]? And Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump did the same?[2] In all these cases it's not the right thing to do, but nor is it criminal. And what is this "people like you" attack? The Marc Rich case is something I'll condemn Bill Clinton for any day of the week - it's a complete miscarriage of justice and I wish there was a way it could be reversed. I'm not aware of anything like that from the Obama era but it's possible I've missed it. Justice matters much more than politics. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controv... [2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/cummings-jared-kushner-and-ivanka-trumps-private-emails-texts-raise-security-concerns https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/cummings-jared-kushner...

moduspol 6y ago
> Where did you provide clear examples? If you mean Hillary Clinton then you do realize there have been six separate investigations and no charges. The "no charges" part is the problem. Per the Wikipedia page [1]: > An FBI examination of Clinton's server found over 100 emails containing classified information, including 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret". An additional 2,093 emails not marked classified were retroactively classified by the State Department. This is against the law. No charges were made. Do you seriously want me to link you to Wikipedia pages for the cases I referenced or are you capable of finding them yourself? > Did you know that what happened in the Clinton case is not an uncommon occurrence? Did you know that Bush did the same thing? And Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump did the same? So I guess it's your turn for whataboutism? It was your point that things have changed now and the rule of law means less. It was my point that things haven't changed as much as you think they have, because they were happening in the prior administration. You are supporting my point. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controve...
- nl 6y ago
  I think everyone has been over this a million times, and it applies to all these cases. None of them have a criminal case to argue. That's the exact point - and it's the exact opposite of whataboutism! I'll leave this here: Because the government is awash in secrets, they are regularly mishandled unintentionally. In 2013, according to the National Archives, which tracks classification, executive branch agencies created more than 77 million documents with secrets in them, including 46,800 with newly created secrets. The FBI receives dozens of referrals of leaked classified information every year, according to Justice Department declarations to Congress. Prosecutors have also been wary of testing whether broad prosecutions under the espionage laws would hold up in court, especially in cases of news organizations pursuing Secret or Top Secret information for publication. In the Clinton probe, investigators found that at least some of the classified information referred to was contained in a newspaper article that aides then forwarded to Clinton https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4394178/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-investigation/%3famp=true https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4394178/hillary-clinto...