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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I normally don't call people out on this as we are human and we need wiggle room for conversation and the f
by mettamage 6y ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I normally don't call people out on this as we are human and we need wiggle room for conversation and the formulation of opinions. Plus, everyone is guilty of this, me included. In fact, the previous statement is me doing it as well. We are human after all.
But I do tend to call people out on this when people stifle curiosity with these type of claims. Knowing myself, I know that 10 years ago I might've taken your advice to heart as I didn't know any better. I know that I've done this in other areas of my life and it has had a negative impact.
So I am here to produce a counter voice loudly proclaiming that one should be very sceptical about taking your opinion to heart.
Some people claim God exists. And I therefore should live quite differently than I am right now. I require extraordinary evidence.
Some people claim that you can't become a hacker if you need to ask it. I require extraordinary evidence.
In spirit of my sentiment, I'm going to give you a counterexample. I'm the counterexample.
Step 1: Go to http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
Step 2: Complete Binary and Malware Analysis at the Vrije Universiteit
Step 3: Complete Computer and Network Security at the Vrije Universiteit
Step 4: Complete Hardware Security at the Vrije Universiteit
Step 4b (bonus, I mean, you're there now anyway): Complete Kernel Programming at the Vrije Universiteit
Step 5: Go to https://hackthebox.eu https://hackthebox.eu, hack at least 1 easy, 1 medium, 1 hard and -- for good measure -- 1 insane box
Congratulations, you are now a hacker in every sense of the word:
1. You broke into computer systems.
2. You needed to be curious in order to do it.
If you think this is my whole path then that's not true. This is simply the happy path that I uncovered. It's not optimal, but it works. It might not work for everyone, but I'm sure it will work for more people than just me.
I am now a hacker. And I'm sure there are more counter examples stemming from the VUSec group that started hacking real machines after that.
That's my evidence. I don't expect that you have enough evidence as your position is much tougher and I wouldn't even know how to begin on starting an argument that does. My point simply is: please be a bit careful about the accuracy of your statements if it implies negative consequences. Inconvenient truths are fine, but simply opinions without any backing that leads to something negative really feels disheartening to read.
Note: I didn't downvote. I don't think you had any ill intentions. And you do provide your actual view in a succinct manner (something I could learn from O:) ). And that's what discussion is all about, albeit a bit rough at times, perhaps.
- elwell 6y ago> Some people claim God exists. And I therefore should live quite differently than I am right now. I require extraordinary evidence. Just curious, theoretically speaking, what are some evidences that would be 'extraordinary enough' for you to believe? For sake of argument, let's assume we're talking about the Judeo-Christian god as described in the standard Bible.
- neatze 6y agoI think you will find this debated interesting: https://youtu.be/9wLtCqm72-Y https://youtu.be/9wLtCqm72-Y
- mettamage 6y agoOh! Penrose! I'm watching this. Thanks!
- mettamage 6y agoHmm... God comes down, allows the person that tries to convince me to fly and zaps us to another planet where other lifeforms are. If there aren't any others, then he zaps us to a planet that God thinks is simply amazingly cool (and comfortable enough for us humans). God tells us something that humans may found out in 100k years from now. It doesn't have to be knowledge that is valuable for me to use right now. It should be knowledge that I am able to verify. Obviously, the number 100k is arbitrary. Oh, and it should be done in such a way that I can know 100% that it wasn't because of some weird mushroom/drug trip. God is all powerful, I'm sure that shouldn't be a problematic requirement. This is extraordinary enough. At least, with evolution theory, I actually am able to see this to some extent. It helps that I've played poker as a hobby and had to think about probabilities on an emotional level a fair bit. There simply should be no room for doubt. Whenever I'm able to understand a mathematical proof, then I have that feeling as well. Mathematicians also can make quite some extraordinary claims. And then they back it up.
- elwell 6y agoOk, thanks for the reply. Just curious, what would be the 'MVE' (minimum viable evidence) such that you would choose to believe? For example, if instead of flying and zapping to another planet, what if they just fly (without some mechanical invention)? > Oh, and it should be done in such a way that I can know 100% that it wasn't because of some weird mushroom/drug trip. How you can you know 100%? That doesn't make any sense. Are you just referring to believing something with faith such that it feels certain? > God is all powerful Yes, but he can't make illogic logical. Therefore, I don't see how he could make you 'know 100%' something. He could convince you with evidences, sure.