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> of all crimes committed 26.9% were by black perpetrators. So in relation to that statistic If you accept the possibility that police killings may be skewed b

> of all crimes committed 26.9% were by black perpetrators. So in relation to that statistic If you accept the possibility that police killings may be skewed by racism, why are you simply assuming that arrests (and therefore trials and convictions) are not?

bresqa 6y ago
Where did I accept the possibility of police killings being skewed by racism? That might or might not be true - but I wasn't really looking at that. All I did was just interpret the existing numbers and correlate them to other statistics that make more sense to me (if we're talking about race and the percentage of single ethnicity in the number total of deaths, then to me it makes a lot more sense to look at the percentage of crime that ethnicity committed in total). Again - I'm trying very hard to detach the issue from emotions/race and just look at the numbers. Why there is a disproportional number of black people in the US being arrested or killed is certainly appalling - but its also a whole other issue.
- icebraining 6y ago
  > Where did I accept the possibility of police killings being skewed by racism? That might or might not be true Saying that it may be true is accepting the possibility :) > All I did was just interpret the existing numbers and correlate them to other statistics that make more sense to me My point is that the correlation may obscure more than it reveals. It's like if someone in the Tower of Pisa said: "this windowsill is crooked, the vases I put there keep falling", and someone responded "that can't be, I measured it against the floor and they're perfectly parallel". > Again - I'm trying very hard to detach the issue from emotions/race and just look at the numbers. I understand that. But which numbers and comparisons are relevant, and which conclusions can be produced from such comparisons, is a matter of discussion. > Why there is a disproportional number of black people in the US being arrested or killed is certainly appalling - but its also a whole other issue. This I have to confess I don't understand. The site is trying to answer that exact question, and their answer is "racism". Now, they may be wrong, but I don't see how it's another issue... what issue are you focusing on, then?
  - bresqa 6y ago
    > Saying that it may be true is accepting the possibility :) Only if you completely ignore the other part of that same sentence :) > This I have to confess I don't understand. The site is trying to answer that exact question, and their answer is "racism". Now, they may be wrong, but I don't see how it's another issue... what issue are you focusing on, then? Think I covered that in my original comment (and the subsequent ones too) - was just not convinced that "racism" is the correct answer and questioning the reasoning behind it.

bresqa 6y ago

Where did I accept the possibility of police killings being skewed by racism? That might or might not be true - but I wasn't really looking at that. All I did was just interpret the existing numbers and correlate them to other statistics that make more sense to me (if we're talking about race and the percentage of single ethnicity in the number total of deaths, then to me it makes a lot more sense to look at the percentage of crime that ethnicity committed in total). Again - I'm trying very hard to detach the issue from emotions/race and just look at the numbers. Why there is a disproportional number of black people in the US being arrested or killed is certainly appalling - but its also a whole other issue.

icebraining 6y ago
> Where did I accept the possibility of police killings being skewed by racism? That might or might not be true Saying that it may be true is accepting the possibility :) > All I did was just interpret the existing numbers and correlate them to other statistics that make more sense to me My point is that the correlation may obscure more than it reveals. It's like if someone in the Tower of Pisa said: "this windowsill is crooked, the vases I put there keep falling", and someone responded "that can't be, I measured it against the floor and they're perfectly parallel". > Again - I'm trying very hard to detach the issue from emotions/race and just look at the numbers. I understand that. But which numbers and comparisons are relevant, and which conclusions can be produced from such comparisons, is a matter of discussion. > Why there is a disproportional number of black people in the US being arrested or killed is certainly appalling - but its also a whole other issue. This I have to confess I don't understand. The site is trying to answer that exact question, and their answer is "racism". Now, they may be wrong, but I don't see how it's another issue... what issue are you focusing on, then?
- bresqa 6y ago
  > Saying that it may be true is accepting the possibility :) Only if you completely ignore the other part of that same sentence :) > This I have to confess I don't understand. The site is trying to answer that exact question, and their answer is "racism". Now, they may be wrong, but I don't see how it's another issue... what issue are you focusing on, then? Think I covered that in my original comment (and the subsequent ones too) - was just not convinced that "racism" is the correct answer and questioning the reasoning behind it.