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Yeah...yeah.

by rrmm 6y ago

Yeah...yeah.

baybal2 6y ago
Expanding further on this, I can say that times since TOPAZ were all about GTK becoming more, and more of a RedHat toolkit, with all alienation of non-RedHat affiliated maintainers coming from that. TOPAZ was essentially a "coup" made by 3 RedHat affiliated developers. They worked completely behind closed door, and then came with fait accompli almost overnight, saying that the buggy hell of Gnome Shell, and its hello world level was the GNOME 3.0, and we will be wrapping all 2.0 development. It always come to a point where they first manage to alienate all worthy maintainers, and then complain that "nobody maintains this crap, and I now do what I want" Now, how do you go against such takeovers?
- rrmm 6y ago
  Yup. I did extremely minor work on gtk, pygtk, and dynamic bindings, and agree with you regarding the alienation. It was especially hard with the attitudes on the mailing list. Are you involved in any toolkit stuff these days? EDIT: hahah i'm getting trashed for my "yeah...yeahh..." comment above. sorry I wasn't clear about my agreement. :D
  - baybal2 6y ago
    No, for like 13 years. May have been sending a patch or two a year, but nothing more. Been more active in my teenage years.
  - sparkie 6y ago
    Avalonia is showing promise as a cross plattform UI kit and has an active and friendly community. The caveat is that it's based on dotnet core, which is a put off for some Linux users. Linux support is a priority in Avalonia and is not being shelved like previous efforts for cross platform UI support on .NET.
    - rrmm 6y ago
      Ooof. I've done .net dev in the past, but most of my stuff is not in that space anymore. Are these the mono people working on this?
      - sparkie 6y ago
        Has nothing to do with mono. Mono effectively died when Xamarin got acquihired by Microsoft. They shifted focus to providing OSX and Windows only tools for developing mobile apps with .NET, and mono development stalled, but parts got incorporated into dotnet directly. Microsoft have been much more friendly to open source in recent years. dotnet core is now supported and up to date on Linux. You can develop on Linux with VSCode (Visual Studio is still Windows only) or JetBrains Rider. You can consider dotnet core to be uncoupled from Windows. There are still parts of the .net frameworks which are coupled to windows, but they can be avoided with libraries like Avalonia.
        rrmm 6y ago
        Ahh, ok thanks for the info.
        pjmlp 6y ago
        Just a small correction. Although Visual Studio for Mac started as just a rebranded version from Xamarin Studio, nowadays it shares several key parts with Visual Studio proper, implemented in .NET Core and shared across macOS and Windows.

Yeah...yeah.

by rrmm 6y ago

Yeah...yeah.

Expanding further on this, I can say that times since TOPAZ were all about GTK becoming more, and more of a RedHat toolkit, with all alienation of non-RedHat affiliated maintainers coming from that. TOPAZ was essentially a "coup" made by 3 RedHat affiliated developers. They worked completely behind closed door, and then came with fait accompli almost overnight, saying that the buggy hell of Gnome Shell, and its hello world level was the GNOME 3.0, and we will be wrapping all 2.0 development. It always come to a point where they first manage to alienate all worthy maintainers, and then complain that "nobody maintains this crap, and I now do what I want" Now, how do you go against such takeovers?

rrmm 6y ago
Yup. I did extremely minor work on gtk, pygtk, and dynamic bindings, and agree with you regarding the alienation. It was especially hard with the attitudes on the mailing list. Are you involved in any toolkit stuff these days? EDIT: hahah i'm getting trashed for my "yeah...yeahh..." comment above. sorry I wasn't clear about my agreement. :D
- baybal2 6y ago
  No, for like 13 years. May have been sending a patch or two a year, but nothing more. Been more active in my teenage years.
- sparkie 6y ago
  Avalonia is showing promise as a cross plattform UI kit and has an active and friendly community. The caveat is that it's based on dotnet core, which is a put off for some Linux users. Linux support is a priority in Avalonia and is not being shelved like previous efforts for cross platform UI support on .NET.
  - rrmm 6y ago
    Ooof. I've done .net dev in the past, but most of my stuff is not in that space anymore. Are these the mono people working on this?
    - sparkie 6y ago
      Has nothing to do with mono. Mono effectively died when Xamarin got acquihired by Microsoft. They shifted focus to providing OSX and Windows only tools for developing mobile apps with .NET, and mono development stalled, but parts got incorporated into dotnet directly. Microsoft have been much more friendly to open source in recent years. dotnet core is now supported and up to date on Linux. You can develop on Linux with VSCode (Visual Studio is still Windows only) or JetBrains Rider. You can consider dotnet core to be uncoupled from Windows. There are still parts of the .net frameworks which are coupled to windows, but they can be avoided with libraries like Avalonia.
      - rrmm 6y ago
        Ahh, ok thanks for the info.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Just a small correction. Although Visual Studio for Mac started as just a rebranded version from Xamarin Studio, nowadays it shares several key parts with Visual Studio proper, implemented in .NET Core and shared across macOS and Windows.