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The "groupism" of lumping "white", "black", "cops", "Republicans", etc is just not useful. Just distracting old tribalism instincts. Take personal responsibil

by gedy 6y ago

The "groupism" of lumping "white", "black", "cops", "Republicans", etc is just not useful. Just distracting old tribalism instincts. Take personal responsibility and expect it from others.

aoeusnth1 6y ago
So social systems and institutions have no effect on the human condition, got it.
- gedy 6y ago
  Of course they do. But to say all police (or whatever group label) are the same and have same faults is a stretch. Making similar blanket statements about minorities is racist.
- dang 6y ago
  Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines and following them when posting here? We'd be grateful. They include: "Don't be snarky." "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Note that they don't require you to change your views, just express them thoughtfully.
emerged 6y ago
Unfortunately chaotic times are magnifying tribalism. It's apparent in the fabric of our discussions, even among intellectual peers in this industry. I'm finding it rather difficult to find any place to discuss things in a dry rational way. Maybe a dryly rational conversation can't exist.
mercer 6y ago
You're not wrong about the importance of taking personal responsibility, but I do think there's an important distinction between 'white/black' and 'cops/republicans'. The former is just what you are, with all that comes with it. The latter is a choice, and comes with various benefits (and to some degree drawbacks). The exact details of how these tribal affiliations affect your character stats, so to speak, is obviously hotly debated. But 1) they're not irrelevant so useful to consider, and 2) once again not having a choice of tribal affiliation strikes me as more than just a little detail.

by gedy 6y ago

The "groupism" of lumping "white", "black", "cops", "Republicans", etc is just not useful. Just distracting old tribalism instincts. Take personal responsibility and expect it from others.

aoeusnth1 6y ago

So social systems and institutions have no effect on the human condition, got it.

gedy 6y ago
Of course they do. But to say all police (or whatever group label) are the same and have same faults is a stretch. Making similar blanket statements about minorities is racist.
dang 6y ago
Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines and following them when posting here? We'd be grateful. They include: "Don't be snarky." "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Note that they don't require you to change your views, just express them thoughtfully.

emerged 6y ago

Unfortunately chaotic times are magnifying tribalism. It's apparent in the fabric of our discussions, even among intellectual peers in this industry. I'm finding it rather difficult to find any place to discuss things in a dry rational way. Maybe a dryly rational conversation can't exist.

mercer 6y ago

You're not wrong about the importance of taking personal responsibility, but I do think there's an important distinction between 'white/black' and 'cops/republicans'. The former is just what you are, with all that comes with it. The latter is a choice, and comes with various benefits (and to some degree drawbacks). The exact details of how these tribal affiliations affect your character stats, so to speak, is obviously hotly debated. But 1) they're not irrelevant so useful to consider, and 2) once again not having a choice of tribal affiliation strikes me as more than just a little detail.