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All of this "modern art" is just terrible and not soothing to the soul. They create these installations to "elicit a response" from viewers, but any talentless

All of this "modern art" is just terrible and not soothing to the soul. They create these installations to "elicit a response" from viewers, but any talentless hack can do that. It's not art. There's a movement to return to traditional art and architecture. It's amazing, but I can't seem to the recall the name of the organization. They had beautiful paintings made by artists in the traditional art style.

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
Traditional art and architecture never went away. Some people have continued to follow traditional styles in every form of art, regardless of what the current vogue is. Sometimes people’s estimation of the impact of modernism is very distorted, as when some claim that classical music in the 20th century became all dissonance and ugliness, but if you actually add up composers around the world in the 20th century, you find that most of them were writing traditional tonal music, and modernists were a minority that in many places could hardly get any performances. Usually organizations that call for a "return to traditional art" are ostensibly simply seeking to boost the visibility of traditional styles. But if you engage with those organizations’ ideologues, it often doesn't take long for the mask to come off, and for the person to admit that he/she wishes for non-traditional art to disappear entirely. That seems very rude to that set of people out there (however small or large) who do enjoy avant-garde or modernist art, and who feel their lives would be poorer without it.
- pavlov 6y ago
  "But if you engage with those organizations’ ideologues, it often doesn't take long for the mask to come off, and for the person to admit that he/she wishes for non-traditional art to disappear entirely." Not only that, but they often seem to be engaged in a larger cultural war where making art great again is just one front.
  - kthxbye123 6y ago
    Just to not mince words: many of them are white supremacists and cultural chauvinists. Tweet a picture of old town Sarajevo or the Alhambra at one of those “traditional European architecture” twitter accounts and see how they respond.
lalalandland 6y ago
Artistic expression, human rights and freedom are concepts with huge overlap.
whywhywhywhy 6y ago
> All of this "modern art" is just terrible and not soothing to the soul. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Iseo_Floating_Piers_7.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Iseo_Flo... Christo, The Floating Piers 2016 https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/olafureliasson.net/objektimages_final/IMG_MDA102063_1600px.jpg https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/olafureliasson.net/objekt... Olafur Eliasson, Weather Project, 2003 https://divisare-res.cloudinary.com/images/c_limit,f_auto,h_2000,q_auto,w_3000/v1/project_images/5081387/2013_Rainbow_Church_05/tokujin-yoshioka-rainbow-church.jpg https://divisare-res.cloudinary.com/images/c_limit,f_auto,h_... Tokujin Yoshioka, Rainbow Church, 2013 >but any talentless hack can do that. It's not art.
- sergiotapia 6y ago
  You realize I'm not talking about these art exhibits right? I'm talking about stuff like duck taping a banana to a frame. Or having your painting shred itself after a timer goes off.
  - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
    > duck taping a banana Ah Maurizio Cattelan, his work is meant to be amusing, absurd and surreal, here are some excellent sculptures from him: https://www.numero.com/sites/default/files/images/gallery/100/maurizio_cattelan_monnaie_de_paris_not_afraid_of_love_exposition_2.jpg https://www.numero.com/sites/default/files/images/gallery/10... https://inspgr.id/app/uploads/2019/04/art-maurizio-cattelan-feature.jpg https://inspgr.id/app/uploads/2019/04/art-maurizio-cattelan-... https://www.christies.com/img/LotImages/2017/CKS/2017_CKS_14441_0131_000(maurizio_cattelan_untitled).jpg https://www.christies.com/img/LotImages/2017/CKS/2017_CKS_14... Guess comedy and realistic sculpture are not talents either?

Mediterraneo10 6y ago

Traditional art and architecture never went away. Some people have continued to follow traditional styles in every form of art, regardless of what the current vogue is. Sometimes people’s estimation of the impact of modernism is very distorted, as when some claim that classical music in the 20th century became all dissonance and ugliness, but if you actually add up composers around the world in the 20th century, you find that most of them were writing traditional tonal music, and modernists were a minority that in many places could hardly get any performances. Usually organizations that call for a "return to traditional art" are ostensibly simply seeking to boost the visibility of traditional styles. But if you engage with those organizations’ ideologues, it often doesn't take long for the mask to come off, and for the person to admit that he/she wishes for non-traditional art to disappear entirely. That seems very rude to that set of people out there (however small or large) who do enjoy avant-garde or modernist art, and who feel their lives would be poorer without it.

pavlov 6y ago
"But if you engage with those organizations’ ideologues, it often doesn't take long for the mask to come off, and for the person to admit that he/she wishes for non-traditional art to disappear entirely." Not only that, but they often seem to be engaged in a larger cultural war where making art great again is just one front.
- kthxbye123 6y ago
  Just to not mince words: many of them are white supremacists and cultural chauvinists. Tweet a picture of old town Sarajevo or the Alhambra at one of those “traditional European architecture” twitter accounts and see how they respond.

lalalandland 6y ago

Artistic expression, human rights and freedom are concepts with huge overlap.

whywhywhywhy 6y ago

> All of this "modern art" is just terrible and not soothing to the soul. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Iseo_Floating_Piers_7.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Iseo_Flo... Christo, The Floating Piers 2016 https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/olafureliasson.net/objektimages_final/IMG_MDA102063_1600px.jpg https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/olafureliasson.net/objekt... Olafur Eliasson, Weather Project, 2003 https://divisare-res.cloudinary.com/images/c_limit,f_auto,h_2000,q_auto,w_3000/v1/project_images/5081387/2013_Rainbow_Church_05/tokujin-yoshioka-rainbow-church.jpg https://divisare-res.cloudinary.com/images/c_limit,f_auto,h_... Tokujin Yoshioka, Rainbow Church, 2013 >but any talentless hack can do that. It's not art.

sergiotapia 6y ago
You realize I'm not talking about these art exhibits right? I'm talking about stuff like duck taping a banana to a frame. Or having your painting shred itself after a timer goes off.
- whywhywhywhy 6y ago
  > duck taping a banana Ah Maurizio Cattelan, his work is meant to be amusing, absurd and surreal, here are some excellent sculptures from him: https://www.numero.com/sites/default/files/images/gallery/100/maurizio_cattelan_monnaie_de_paris_not_afraid_of_love_exposition_2.jpg https://www.numero.com/sites/default/files/images/gallery/10... https://inspgr.id/app/uploads/2019/04/art-maurizio-cattelan-feature.jpg https://inspgr.id/app/uploads/2019/04/art-maurizio-cattelan-... https://www.christies.com/img/LotImages/2017/CKS/2017_CKS_14441_0131_000(maurizio_cattelan_untitled).jpg https://www.christies.com/img/LotImages/2017/CKS/2017_CKS_14... Guess comedy and realistic sculpture are not talents either?