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While I suspect the percentage of overall police actions that are brutal, unethical, or harmful are tiny it is still a subject that demands a far greater degree

While I suspect the percentage of overall police actions that are brutal, unethical, or harmful are tiny it is still a subject that demands a far greater degree of transparency. The subject identifies several challenges: * police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed * all accused are innocent until proven guilty regardless of their profession or who they are. You don’t want police accused of horrible conduct policing but at the same time they need a process of defense, as does everybody Honestly, much of this problem could be addressed by mandating body cams. I have known police officers who live by their body cams to ensure everyone is honest. Until that happens what would you suggest to change the current situation?

downerending 6y ago
I agree that all police should have body cams always, for the protection of all. I'm not aware of anyone that objects to this, though probably there are some. Furthermore, incidents like this have really made me reconsider my objections to the panopticon. These days, I think we'd be better off if there were cameras everywhere always, broadcasting instantaneously for public capture.
- josephcsible 6y ago
  > I agree that all police should have body cams always, for the protection of all. I'm not aware of anyone that objects to this, though probably there are some. The Movement for Black Lives objects to body cams: https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-on-black-people/ https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-on-black-peopl...
  - downerending 6y ago
    Wow. I have no idea what to say to that.
scarface74 6y ago
police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed If the problem isn’t systemic then how do you explain the various studies showing that minorities are disproportionately “stopped and frisked”?
- austincheney 6y ago
  I don’t know anything about those studies so I won’t form any opinion of them.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/nyclu-releases-report-analyzing-nypd-stop-and-frisk-data https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/nyclu-releases-report-an... Stop and Frisk disparity between Blacks and Whites https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-dist... https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/new-evidence-racial-profiling-florida-roadways https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/new-evidence-r...
    - austincheney 6y ago
      That looks like New York specific stuff. As I have never been there my knowledge and interest of those conditions is absent. So I looked it up for my state: https://www.superlawyers.com/texas/article/stop-and-frisk-in-texas-is-it-legal/395a4a86-342e-4495-8510-0ec5be059bb7.html https://www.superlawyers.com/texas/article/stop-and-frisk-in... Here it seems to be related almost entirely to traffic stops. I suspect, but don’t know, that racial identity would play a lesser role in that case because an officer wouldn’t likely known a driver’s race until the vehicle is already pulled over. To play devils advocate though I am white and had law enforcement ask to search my vehicle several times in my youth.
      - scarface74 6y ago

downerending 6y ago

I agree that all police should have body cams always, for the protection of all. I'm not aware of anyone that objects to this, though probably there are some. Furthermore, incidents like this have really made me reconsider my objections to the panopticon. These days, I think we'd be better off if there were cameras everywhere always, broadcasting instantaneously for public capture.

josephcsible 6y ago
> I agree that all police should have body cams always, for the protection of all. I'm not aware of anyone that objects to this, though probably there are some. The Movement for Black Lives objects to body cams: https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-on-black-people/ https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-on-black-peopl...
- downerending 6y ago
  Wow. I have no idea what to say to that.

scarface74 6y ago

police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed If the problem isn’t systemic then how do you explain the various studies showing that minorities are disproportionately “stopped and frisked”?

austincheney 6y ago
I don’t know anything about those studies so I won’t form any opinion of them.
- scarface74 6y ago
  https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/nyclu-releases-report-analyzing-nypd-stop-and-frisk-data https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/nyclu-releases-report-an... Stop and Frisk disparity between Blacks and Whites https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-dist... https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/new-evidence-racial-profiling-florida-roadways https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/new-evidence-r...
  - austincheney 6y ago
    That looks like New York specific stuff. As I have never been there my knowledge and interest of those conditions is absent. So I looked it up for my state: https://www.superlawyers.com/texas/article/stop-and-frisk-in-texas-is-it-legal/395a4a86-342e-4495-8510-0ec5be059bb7.html https://www.superlawyers.com/texas/article/stop-and-frisk-in... Here it seems to be related almost entirely to traffic stops. I suspect, but don’t know, that racial identity would play a lesser role in that case because an officer wouldn’t likely known a driver’s race until the vehicle is already pulled over. To play devils advocate though I am white and had law enforcement ask to search my vehicle several times in my youth.
    - scarface74 6y ago