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Genuine unprovoked and unnecessary police brutality incidents are incredibly rare (relative to all police interactions) and hardly an epidemic. When someone is

Genuine unprovoked and unnecessary police brutality incidents are incredibly rare (relative to all police interactions) and hardly an epidemic. When someone is breaking the law and resisting arrest the police have no choice but to be violent with the resistor. Unfortunately these incidents often get categorized as "police brutality" when they're really just a necessary use of force. More broadly, the entire narrative of police brutality and killings of minorities is basically nonsense. When controlling for violent encounters with police and crimes committed, blacks (armed and unarmed) are actually less likely to be killed by police than whites. Sites like this and an irresponsible media simply exaggerate the issue and needlessly inflame tensions without providing proper and necessary context.

chillwaves 6y ago
"Don't believe your lying eyes." https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/video-shows-officer-kicking-woman-who-was-sitting-on-ground-and-covering-her-face/ https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/video-shows-officer-kicking-wo...
- corrupt_measure 6y ago
  That video is a 5 second long anecdote. Regardless, the woman was probably told to move and was refusing. When you disobey riot police in a riot situation that's what happens and I absolutely side with the police. Data literally supports what I'm saying. A distorting narrative is what's driving all the recent calls to action and solidarity. People are being lied to and misled, either that or they are just using the narrative to push their own agendas.
  - whatever1 6y ago
    The outrage started not because of the video that was undisputable evidence of police violence, it started because the police did not immediately arrest the officers who committed and helped with the murder of a person. Had Minneapolis have to burn to the ground, so that they finally arrest the murderer policeman?
    - corrupt_measure 6y ago
      Ignoring for a moment that the position the police had George in is standard for restraining a person and that George may have died from underlying heart conditions... Without the broader narrative that police disproportionately kill blacks then the killing would not have sparked riots or protests. In fact a white man was killed very recently on almost the exact same manner yet there were no riots or calls to action. Unfortunately many anarchists and terrible people took advantage of the killing to cause destruction.
      - whatever1 6y ago
        How is the reaction of the people relevant to our topic? Are you suggesting that the police is acting differently when they suspect that there will be an outrage, and differently when nobody is watching them?
      - wonderwonder 6y ago
        ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.
      - bitcharmer 6y ago
        I'm not sure if you're trolling or just very misinformed, but the position he was held in violates every single rule of police training on restraining individuals.
wonderwonder 6y ago
The issue is not the rarity of police brutality (although I disagree) it is the acceptance and silence of the perpetrators fellow officers who witness it. It means that all of these officers who don't intervene are guilty of dereliction of duty and condone the violence. These people should not have power of citizens. It means the entire system is corrupt and broken. "When controlling for violent encounters with police and crimes committed, blacks (armed and unarmed) are actually less likely to be killed by police than whites." Legitimate Source required? This study seems to indicate black men are killed by the police at a rate of 2.5x that of white men. Your argument essentially boils down to sure cops brutally kill people and get away with it but its really the media that is at fault for bringing this to the surface. If we just let the cops do what they want everything would be calm and those uppity minorities would know their place. "Sites like this and an irresponsible media simply exaggerate the issue and needlessly inflame tensions without providing proper and necessary context." Just so I can understand can you please explain the context missing from the video depicting the murder of George Floyd, the source of these nationwide protests. Also please explain why his fellow officers stood around watching and what would have happened if the media had not elevated this incident. Please use small words as I am just some guy that thinks that even a single case of cops getting away with murder is far too many. All in all this comment is pretty disgusting.
- corrupt_measure 6y ago
  Cops having to deal with many bad people on a daily basis, in a country of 330 million, will inevitably lead to a few outrageous cases. Similarly writing code inevitably leads to bugs. But first, those cases are not racially biased. Black men are involved in far more violent crime per capita than white men which leads them to getting in violent altercations with police more often. This is common knowledge, so the 2.5x statistic is easily explained without invoking racism. A white man was killed in almost exactly the same way as George recently but there were no protests, because the man was white. People have the unjustified belief that blacks are disproportionately targeted so that's why there were protests. If people actually understood the facts that police killings are not racially biased then we would not have destruction in Minneapolis and elsewhere.

chillwaves 6y ago

"Don't believe your lying eyes." https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/video-shows-officer-kicking-woman-who-was-sitting-on-ground-and-covering-her-face/ https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/video-shows-officer-kicking-wo...

corrupt_measure 6y ago
That video is a 5 second long anecdote. Regardless, the woman was probably told to move and was refusing. When you disobey riot police in a riot situation that's what happens and I absolutely side with the police. Data literally supports what I'm saying. A distorting narrative is what's driving all the recent calls to action and solidarity. People are being lied to and misled, either that or they are just using the narrative to push their own agendas.
- whatever1 6y ago
  The outrage started not because of the video that was undisputable evidence of police violence, it started because the police did not immediately arrest the officers who committed and helped with the murder of a person. Had Minneapolis have to burn to the ground, so that they finally arrest the murderer policeman?
  - corrupt_measure 6y ago
    Ignoring for a moment that the position the police had George in is standard for restraining a person and that George may have died from underlying heart conditions... Without the broader narrative that police disproportionately kill blacks then the killing would not have sparked riots or protests. In fact a white man was killed very recently on almost the exact same manner yet there were no riots or calls to action. Unfortunately many anarchists and terrible people took advantage of the killing to cause destruction.
    - whatever1 6y ago
      How is the reaction of the people relevant to our topic? Are you suggesting that the police is acting differently when they suspect that there will be an outrage, and differently when nobody is watching them?
    - wonderwonder 6y ago
      ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.
    - bitcharmer 6y ago
      I'm not sure if you're trolling or just very misinformed, but the position he was held in violates every single rule of police training on restraining individuals.

wonderwonder 6y ago

The issue is not the rarity of police brutality (although I disagree) it is the acceptance and silence of the perpetrators fellow officers who witness it. It means that all of these officers who don't intervene are guilty of dereliction of duty and condone the violence. These people should not have power of citizens. It means the entire system is corrupt and broken. "When controlling for violent encounters with police and crimes committed, blacks (armed and unarmed) are actually less likely to be killed by police than whites." Legitimate Source required? This study seems to indicate black men are killed by the police at a rate of 2.5x that of white men. Your argument essentially boils down to sure cops brutally kill people and get away with it but its really the media that is at fault for bringing this to the surface. If we just let the cops do what they want everything would be calm and those uppity minorities would know their place. "Sites like this and an irresponsible media simply exaggerate the issue and needlessly inflame tensions without providing proper and necessary context." Just so I can understand can you please explain the context missing from the video depicting the murder of George Floyd, the source of these nationwide protests. Also please explain why his fellow officers stood around watching and what would have happened if the media had not elevated this incident. Please use small words as I am just some guy that thinks that even a single case of cops getting away with murder is far too many. All in all this comment is pretty disgusting.

corrupt_measure 6y ago
Cops having to deal with many bad people on a daily basis, in a country of 330 million, will inevitably lead to a few outrageous cases. Similarly writing code inevitably leads to bugs. But first, those cases are not racially biased. Black men are involved in far more violent crime per capita than white men which leads them to getting in violent altercations with police more often. This is common knowledge, so the 2.5x statistic is easily explained without invoking racism. A white man was killed in almost exactly the same way as George recently but there were no protests, because the man was white. People have the unjustified belief that blacks are disproportionately targeted so that's why there were protests. If people actually understood the facts that police killings are not racially biased then we would not have destruction in Minneapolis and elsewhere.