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Apparently there’s some debate whether or not this is a real product, but if it is, I’d love this in a compact keyboard form like a Kyria, Lily58, or Corne. Tho

Apparently there’s some debate whether or not this is a real product, but if it is, I’d love this in a compact keyboard form like a Kyria, Lily58, or Corne. Those keyboards are less than 60 keys so they require layers to get at what doesn’t fit on the default layout. This sounds like a hassle but ergonomically it’s very good! Your fingers travel and stretch less this way. Someone asked me if I type as fast or faster with my Ergodox. I told them I don’t measure but that’s not even the biggest feature, but the fact that I’m not moving my whole hand up to the number row for digits and symbols. The downside to this is that layers are deeply personal and changing them can bring some friction as a user re-learns the layout. I’ve resorted to screenshotting and printing my layers at times when I try a new paradigm. Having dynamic key labels would be a godsend for this sort of keyboard-user relationship.

codethief 6y ago
> Those keyboards are less than 60 keys so they require layers to get at what doesn’t fit on the default layout. This is the one reason that has kept me from switching to an ergodox/keyboard.io/… keyboard. I want as many keys as possible, not fewer! For instance, I would never buy a keyboard without a proper row of function keys. I'm already finding it hard to decide what to bind them to because there are so many things I use and need on a regular basis… > This sounds like a hassle but ergonomically it’s very good! It's not. The fewer keys you have, the more you'll be inclined to resort to key combinations for your window manager / editor / … and these are generally bad from an ergonomic point of view. Even with multiple key board layers or modal editing, you still have to press far more keys to get done what on a larger keyboard would take you one single key stroke.
- wishinghand 6y ago
  Hard disagree on the smaller keyboards being less ergonomic, at least from anecdata. Plus even with something as simple as a Corne, that’s 108 keys with a raise and lower layer at its most basic. With that in mind your desire for more keys is attained!

codethief 6y ago

> Those keyboards are less than 60 keys so they require layers to get at what doesn’t fit on the default layout. This is the one reason that has kept me from switching to an ergodox/keyboard.io/… keyboard. I want as many keys as possible, not fewer! For instance, I would never buy a keyboard without a proper row of function keys. I'm already finding it hard to decide what to bind them to because there are so many things I use and need on a regular basis… > This sounds like a hassle but ergonomically it’s very good! It's not. The fewer keys you have, the more you'll be inclined to resort to key combinations for your window manager / editor / … and these are generally bad from an ergonomic point of view. Even with multiple key board layers or modal editing, you still have to press far more keys to get done what on a larger keyboard would take you one single key stroke.

wishinghand 6y ago
Hard disagree on the smaller keyboards being less ergonomic, at least from anecdata. Plus even with something as simple as a Corne, that’s 108 keys with a raise and lower layer at its most basic. With that in mind your desire for more keys is attained!