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What about identifying the police who are breaking the law? Not just the ones attacking peaceful protesters, but the agents provocateur? Peaceful protest is be

What about identifying the police who are breaking the law? Not just the ones attacking peaceful protesters, but the agents provocateur? Peaceful protest is being squashed and de-legitimized. This is the flowering of fascism.

jariel 6y ago
"Peaceful protest is being squashed and de-legitimized. This is the flowering of fascism." This is really not true. The protests turned quickly into riots and the more heavy-handed police tactics literally started only days later. The rioters burnt down a police station for gosh sakes. There are no 'protetors' clashing with police in a violent way. I think decent folks move on after curfew. It's the adventure-seeking rabble, those out for some photos, who want to see the action first hand, who might want to light something in fire. The people not dispersing at curfew I don't think are ideological or protesters in any sense of the word. It's just youth in antagonism for every and all reasons, as old as time.
- pstuart 6y ago
  Da, comrade. Theses protesters are all criminals and should be shot on sight! Edit: the above intact for owning my words. There's plenty of evidence of the police engaging in unnecessary force and provocation of clearly peaceful demonstrators. It's a straw man argument to make this all about the violent demonstrators and looting. The police are now literally above the law -- that is the real issue at stake. No one except a "libertarian" is going to advocate for the elimination of the police. There's countless cases of clear police misconduct and effectively no accountability for that. You can't have honest dialog with that without acknowledging the flaws in "your side". If you can't acknowledge that any abuse exists, then you are engaging in monologue, not dialog.
6nf 6y ago
Looting and rioting and attacking shop owners trying to save their businesses and burning down cars and buildings. Not peaceful protests.
- pstuart 6y ago
  And agents provocateur. Violence is part of the plan.

jariel 6y ago

"Peaceful protest is being squashed and de-legitimized. This is the flowering of fascism." This is really not true. The protests turned quickly into riots and the more heavy-handed police tactics literally started only days later. The rioters burnt down a police station for gosh sakes. There are no 'protetors' clashing with police in a violent way. I think decent folks move on after curfew. It's the adventure-seeking rabble, those out for some photos, who want to see the action first hand, who might want to light something in fire. The people not dispersing at curfew I don't think are ideological or protesters in any sense of the word. It's just youth in antagonism for every and all reasons, as old as time.

pstuart 6y ago
Da, comrade. Theses protesters are all criminals and should be shot on sight! Edit: the above intact for owning my words. There's plenty of evidence of the police engaging in unnecessary force and provocation of clearly peaceful demonstrators. It's a straw man argument to make this all about the violent demonstrators and looting. The police are now literally above the law -- that is the real issue at stake. No one except a "libertarian" is going to advocate for the elimination of the police. There's countless cases of clear police misconduct and effectively no accountability for that. You can't have honest dialog with that without acknowledging the flaws in "your side". If you can't acknowledge that any abuse exists, then you are engaging in monologue, not dialog.

6nf 6y ago

Looting and rioting and attacking shop owners trying to save their businesses and burning down cars and buildings. Not peaceful protests.

pstuart 6y ago
And agents provocateur. Violence is part of the plan.