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The topic of the week is an extrajudicial murder committed by a team of four cops; where was our restraint in deciding the fate of George Floyd? Do these office

The topic of the week is an extrajudicial murder committed by a team of four cops; where was our restraint in deciding the fate of George Floyd? Do these officers deserve nicer treatment than this system gave Floyd? Did Floyd deserve this treatment, too? If so, why didn't he get it?

tal8d 6y ago
That would be the topic of the week, if we were seeing protests. What we are actually seeing is something that is quickly approaching race riots, here is how that has happened: Local government officials pulled law enforcement, because cops are bad and protesters are good. Looting and arson cause hundreds of millions of dollars of property damage to those that have nothing to do with the purported cause of the riots. Local government officials offer easily disprovable lie, claiming the majority of those arrested are shown to be outsiders. The media doesn't bother fact checking, they instead helpfully inform the public that "white nationalists" are secretly tricking the poor helpless minorities into burning down their own communities. Local government officials admit that they were lying. The media pretends to not hear, continues screeching about nazis in blackface looting Footlocker. And here you advocate burning down three entire precincts in order to ensure that three officers get prosecuted (and be honest, you mean "convicted"). That is absolutely insane, it is the direct opposite of justice and a perfect example of someone being ruled by their emotion.
- blotter_paper 6y ago
  6 paragraphs, 0 answers as to whether George Floyd deserved the form of justice you would extend to his murders or why he got an extrajudicial execution instead. If there weren't riots, the topic would be whether to charge the direct murderer. Because of the riots, the discussion has shifted to charging his accomplices. This is progress, but not enough progress. And yes, I definitely want to see them convicted. If there was a video of me preventing an EMT from checking a man's pulse while my co-worker choked him to death for 8 minutes, the last 3 of which the victim was unresponsive for, I wholeheartedly believe I would be convicted of being an accessory to murder. I want the same for these cops. This isn't a grey area where the person could reasonably be innocent, we have the video of an unresponsive man being executed in broad daylight.
  - tal8d 6y ago
    huh, I've never seen someone try to wave a bloody shirt quite like that. Well I don't want to make you count too many sentences before you get to my magic chant: I disavow all non-people-of-color (including police officers, soldiers, census takers, BBC licence fee collectors - especially those with internalized racism) and, in response to their atrocities, now identify as a left handed 86 year old black lesbian woman+. You are baying for blood, not seeking justice. You can't even defend it with the infamously flexible ethics of utilitarianism, because the strategy has been employed numerous times - and it always results in the utter ruination of those that pursued it. Ask Zarqawi. Name one example of this strategy succeeding, I'm genuinely curious - because the only ones I can think of involve colonial subjugation tactics that ultimately resulted in self destruction.
    - blotter_paper 6y ago
      >Name one example of this strategy succeeding Uhm... when the 3rd precinct got burned down and George Floyd's murderer faced charges the next day? Cops don't normally face charges for murdering black men in broad daylight, so I don't take the timing of arson and charges as coincidence.
      - tal8d 6y ago
        Have you got an actual example? I don't even need to get into the race statistics with regard to police brutality, because the charges aren't even close to settling the matter - and you know it, you've already declared them murderers.
        blotter_paper 6y ago
        >Have you got an actual example? Of a cop murdering a black man in broad daylight and not getting charged for it? Hell, here's an example I just pulled up for someone else of a 12 year old black kid being murdered while he played airsoft in the park[0], the cop faced no charges and was subsequently hired by another police department in the same state. It's like paedophile priests getting shuffled around by the Catholics, absolutely absurd. [0]: http://archive.is/jDQv3 http://archive.is/jDQv3
eanzenberg 6y ago
George Floyd absolutely deserved the right treatment. He didn’t get it, and the perps should be brought to justice. Getting revenge for George’s injustice is not justice. It’s not what civilized society is built on. In the end, we were a society that protects even the murders and rapists and the worst of the worst offenders from extra-judicial revenge for their actions.
- blotter_paper 6y ago
  In this pattern of cases, the system is the perpetrator of extra-judicial violence. We've had plenty of time for the system to correct itself, and it hasn't. Now a precinct gets burned down, a cop gets charges the next day, and I'm like, okay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that seemed to work. It's not about revenge, it's about fixing the system by any means necessary. Fire works, protest signs haven't been.
  - asdfgtrewq 6y ago
    Have to wonder does anyone pay attention to the facts? * He did not obey any orders given to him by officers. * Police had to pull him out of his car. * He resisted the arrest after that. * Threw himself down on ground before they could put him in police vehicle. * Said he can't breathe, which all criminals say to loosen the grip of officers. However his autopsy shows he died of drug overdose and heart conditions. And officer doing his job is a bad guy?

tal8d 6y ago

That would be the topic of the week, if we were seeing protests. What we are actually seeing is something that is quickly approaching race riots, here is how that has happened: Local government officials pulled law enforcement, because cops are bad and protesters are good. Looting and arson cause hundreds of millions of dollars of property damage to those that have nothing to do with the purported cause of the riots. Local government officials offer easily disprovable lie, claiming the majority of those arrested are shown to be outsiders. The media doesn't bother fact checking, they instead helpfully inform the public that "white nationalists" are secretly tricking the poor helpless minorities into burning down their own communities. Local government officials admit that they were lying. The media pretends to not hear, continues screeching about nazis in blackface looting Footlocker. And here you advocate burning down three entire precincts in order to ensure that three officers get prosecuted (and be honest, you mean "convicted"). That is absolutely insane, it is the direct opposite of justice and a perfect example of someone being ruled by their emotion.

blotter_paper 6y ago
6 paragraphs, 0 answers as to whether George Floyd deserved the form of justice you would extend to his murders or why he got an extrajudicial execution instead. If there weren't riots, the topic would be whether to charge the direct murderer. Because of the riots, the discussion has shifted to charging his accomplices. This is progress, but not enough progress. And yes, I definitely want to see them convicted. If there was a video of me preventing an EMT from checking a man's pulse while my co-worker choked him to death for 8 minutes, the last 3 of which the victim was unresponsive for, I wholeheartedly believe I would be convicted of being an accessory to murder. I want the same for these cops. This isn't a grey area where the person could reasonably be innocent, we have the video of an unresponsive man being executed in broad daylight.
- tal8d 6y ago
  huh, I've never seen someone try to wave a bloody shirt quite like that. Well I don't want to make you count too many sentences before you get to my magic chant: I disavow all non-people-of-color (including police officers, soldiers, census takers, BBC licence fee collectors - especially those with internalized racism) and, in response to their atrocities, now identify as a left handed 86 year old black lesbian woman+. You are baying for blood, not seeking justice. You can't even defend it with the infamously flexible ethics of utilitarianism, because the strategy has been employed numerous times - and it always results in the utter ruination of those that pursued it. Ask Zarqawi. Name one example of this strategy succeeding, I'm genuinely curious - because the only ones I can think of involve colonial subjugation tactics that ultimately resulted in self destruction.
  - blotter_paper 6y ago
    >Name one example of this strategy succeeding Uhm... when the 3rd precinct got burned down and George Floyd's murderer faced charges the next day? Cops don't normally face charges for murdering black men in broad daylight, so I don't take the timing of arson and charges as coincidence.
    - tal8d 6y ago
      Have you got an actual example? I don't even need to get into the race statistics with regard to police brutality, because the charges aren't even close to settling the matter - and you know it, you've already declared them murderers.
      - blotter_paper 6y ago
        >Have you got an actual example? Of a cop murdering a black man in broad daylight and not getting charged for it? Hell, here's an example I just pulled up for someone else of a 12 year old black kid being murdered while he played airsoft in the park[0], the cop faced no charges and was subsequently hired by another police department in the same state. It's like paedophile priests getting shuffled around by the Catholics, absolutely absurd. [0]: http://archive.is/jDQv3 http://archive.is/jDQv3

eanzenberg 6y ago

George Floyd absolutely deserved the right treatment. He didn’t get it, and the perps should be brought to justice. Getting revenge for George’s injustice is not justice. It’s not what civilized society is built on. In the end, we were a society that protects even the murders and rapists and the worst of the worst offenders from extra-judicial revenge for their actions.

blotter_paper 6y ago
In this pattern of cases, the system is the perpetrator of extra-judicial violence. We've had plenty of time for the system to correct itself, and it hasn't. Now a precinct gets burned down, a cop gets charges the next day, and I'm like, okay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that seemed to work. It's not about revenge, it's about fixing the system by any means necessary. Fire works, protest signs haven't been.
- asdfgtrewq 6y ago
  Have to wonder does anyone pay attention to the facts? * He did not obey any orders given to him by officers. * Police had to pull him out of his car. * He resisted the arrest after that. * Threw himself down on ground before they could put him in police vehicle. * Said he can't breathe, which all criminals say to loosen the grip of officers. However his autopsy shows he died of drug overdose and heart conditions. And officer doing his job is a bad guy?