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The more that protestors refrain from violent property destruction, the less likely it becomes that the three cops who were accessories in the murder of George

The more that protestors refrain from violent property destruction, the less likely it becomes that the three cops who were accessories in the murder of George Floyd get charges brought against them. Burning down one precinct got one cop charged (albeit with a 3rd degree); I would really love to see the other three charged, even if it requires some anonymous protestors to light up three more precincts. I'd gladly trade in police destroying citizen lives for citizens destroying police property.

tal8d 6y ago
Ah justice. It is better that ten innocent persons suffer than that one guilty escape. -- Bizzaro William Blackstone
- blotter_paper 6y ago
  The topic of the week is an extrajudicial murder committed by a team of four cops; where was our restraint in deciding the fate of George Floyd? Do these officers deserve nicer treatment than this system gave Floyd? Did Floyd deserve this treatment, too? If so, why didn't he get it?
  - tal8d 6y ago
    That would be the topic of the week, if we were seeing protests. What we are actually seeing is something that is quickly approaching race riots, here is how that has happened: Local government officials pulled law enforcement, because cops are bad and protesters are good. Looting and arson cause hundreds of millions of dollars of property damage to those that have nothing to do with the purported cause of the riots. Local government officials offer easily disprovable lie, claiming the majority of those arrested are shown to be outsiders. The media doesn't bother fact checking, they instead helpfully inform the public that "white nationalists" are secretly tricking the poor helpless minorities into burning down their own communities. Local government officials admit that they were lying. The media pretends to not hear, continues screeching about nazis in blackface looting Footlocker. And here you advocate burning down three entire precincts in order to ensure that three officers get prosecuted (and be honest, you mean "convicted"). That is absolutely insane, it is the direct opposite of justice and a perfect example of someone being ruled by their emotion.
    - blotter_paper 6y ago
      6 paragraphs, 0 answers as to whether George Floyd deserved the form of justice you would extend to his murders or why he got an extrajudicial execution instead. If there weren't riots, the topic would be whether to charge the direct murderer. Because of the riots, the discussion has shifted to charging his accomplices. This is progress, but not enough progress. And yes, I definitely want to see them convicted. If there was a video of me preventing an EMT from checking a man's pulse while my co-worker choked him to death for 8 minutes, the last 3 of which the victim was unresponsive for, I wholeheartedly believe I would be convicted of being an accessory to murder. I want the same for these cops. This isn't a grey area where the person could reasonably be innocent, we have the video of an unresponsive man being executed in broad daylight.
      - tal8d 6y ago
        huh, I've never seen someone try to wave a bloody shirt quite like that. Well I don't want to make you count too many sentences before you get to my magic chant: I disavow all non-people-of-color (including police officers, soldiers, census takers, BBC licence fee collectors - especially those with internalized racism) and, in response to their atrocities, now identify as a left handed 86 year old black lesbian woman+. You are baying for blood, not seeking justice. You can't even defend it with the infamously flexible ethics of utilitarianism, because the strategy has been employed numerous times - and it always results in the utter ruination of those that pursued it. Ask Zarqawi. Name one example of this strategy succeeding, I'm genuinely curious - because the only ones I can think of involve colonial subjugation tactics that ultimately resulted in self destruction.
        blotter_paper 6y ago
        >Name one example of this strategy succeeding Uhm... when the 3rd precinct got burned down and George Floyd's murderer faced charges the next day? Cops don't normally face charges for murdering black men in broad daylight, so I don't take the timing of arson and charges as coincidence.
  - eanzenberg 6y ago
    George Floyd absolutely deserved the right treatment. He didn’t get it, and the perps should be brought to justice. Getting revenge for George’s injustice is not justice. It’s not what civilized society is built on. In the end, we were a society that protects even the murders and rapists and the worst of the worst offenders from extra-judicial revenge for their actions.
    - blotter_paper 6y ago
      In this pattern of cases, the system is the perpetrator of extra-judicial violence. We've had plenty of time for the system to correct itself, and it hasn't. Now a precinct gets burned down, a cop gets charges the next day, and I'm like, okay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that seemed to work. It's not about revenge, it's about fixing the system by any means necessary. Fire works, protest signs haven't been.
      - asdfgtrewq 6y ago
        Have to wonder does anyone pay attention to the facts? * He did not obey any orders given to him by officers. * Police had to pull him out of his car. * He resisted the arrest after that. * Threw himself down on ground before they could put him in police vehicle. * Said he can't breathe, which all criminals say to loosen the grip of officers. However his autopsy shows he died of drug overdose and heart conditions. And officer doing his job is a bad guy?
- paulryanrogers 6y ago
  Is this meant to be sarcasm? (Honest question)
  - augustt 6y ago
    Yes - the actual phrase is "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer".
    - paulryanrogers 6y ago
      Thanks for clarifying for me. Still, I would hope that as police are investigated they are held to a high standard of behavior. They do after all have a near monopoly on the lawful use of violence.
      - tal8d 6y ago
        I absolutely agree that cops should be held to a higher standard, but that is a very different discussion. Imagine trying to steer the conversation similarly for any other class of crime: "You can't blame the school shooters... they naturally strike out at what is within their reach, they should be given space to express their outrage. We need to talk about bullying."
anigbrowl 6y ago
Since police are in the habit of teargassing people who are not engaging in any violence that seems pretty inequitable.
asdfgtrewq 6y ago
Did you read the autopsy report? Criminal died of over dose of drugs in his system and condition of his heart. His heart condition reflects his lifestyle. Lack of oxygen was not at all the cause of death. How is officer responsible for his death?

tal8d 6y ago

Ah justice. It is better that ten innocent persons suffer than that one guilty escape. -- Bizzaro William Blackstone

blotter_paper 6y ago
The topic of the week is an extrajudicial murder committed by a team of four cops; where was our restraint in deciding the fate of George Floyd? Do these officers deserve nicer treatment than this system gave Floyd? Did Floyd deserve this treatment, too? If so, why didn't he get it?
- tal8d 6y ago
  That would be the topic of the week, if we were seeing protests. What we are actually seeing is something that is quickly approaching race riots, here is how that has happened: Local government officials pulled law enforcement, because cops are bad and protesters are good. Looting and arson cause hundreds of millions of dollars of property damage to those that have nothing to do with the purported cause of the riots. Local government officials offer easily disprovable lie, claiming the majority of those arrested are shown to be outsiders. The media doesn't bother fact checking, they instead helpfully inform the public that "white nationalists" are secretly tricking the poor helpless minorities into burning down their own communities. Local government officials admit that they were lying. The media pretends to not hear, continues screeching about nazis in blackface looting Footlocker. And here you advocate burning down three entire precincts in order to ensure that three officers get prosecuted (and be honest, you mean "convicted"). That is absolutely insane, it is the direct opposite of justice and a perfect example of someone being ruled by their emotion.
  - blotter_paper 6y ago
    6 paragraphs, 0 answers as to whether George Floyd deserved the form of justice you would extend to his murders or why he got an extrajudicial execution instead. If there weren't riots, the topic would be whether to charge the direct murderer. Because of the riots, the discussion has shifted to charging his accomplices. This is progress, but not enough progress. And yes, I definitely want to see them convicted. If there was a video of me preventing an EMT from checking a man's pulse while my co-worker choked him to death for 8 minutes, the last 3 of which the victim was unresponsive for, I wholeheartedly believe I would be convicted of being an accessory to murder. I want the same for these cops. This isn't a grey area where the person could reasonably be innocent, we have the video of an unresponsive man being executed in broad daylight.
    - tal8d 6y ago
      huh, I've never seen someone try to wave a bloody shirt quite like that. Well I don't want to make you count too many sentences before you get to my magic chant: I disavow all non-people-of-color (including police officers, soldiers, census takers, BBC licence fee collectors - especially those with internalized racism) and, in response to their atrocities, now identify as a left handed 86 year old black lesbian woman+. You are baying for blood, not seeking justice. You can't even defend it with the infamously flexible ethics of utilitarianism, because the strategy has been employed numerous times - and it always results in the utter ruination of those that pursued it. Ask Zarqawi. Name one example of this strategy succeeding, I'm genuinely curious - because the only ones I can think of involve colonial subjugation tactics that ultimately resulted in self destruction.
      - blotter_paper 6y ago
        >Name one example of this strategy succeeding Uhm... when the 3rd precinct got burned down and George Floyd's murderer faced charges the next day? Cops don't normally face charges for murdering black men in broad daylight, so I don't take the timing of arson and charges as coincidence.
- eanzenberg 6y ago
  George Floyd absolutely deserved the right treatment. He didn’t get it, and the perps should be brought to justice. Getting revenge for George’s injustice is not justice. It’s not what civilized society is built on. In the end, we were a society that protects even the murders and rapists and the worst of the worst offenders from extra-judicial revenge for their actions.
  - blotter_paper 6y ago
    In this pattern of cases, the system is the perpetrator of extra-judicial violence. We've had plenty of time for the system to correct itself, and it hasn't. Now a precinct gets burned down, a cop gets charges the next day, and I'm like, okay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that seemed to work. It's not about revenge, it's about fixing the system by any means necessary. Fire works, protest signs haven't been.
    - asdfgtrewq 6y ago
      Have to wonder does anyone pay attention to the facts? * He did not obey any orders given to him by officers. * Police had to pull him out of his car. * He resisted the arrest after that. * Threw himself down on ground before they could put him in police vehicle. * Said he can't breathe, which all criminals say to loosen the grip of officers. However his autopsy shows he died of drug overdose and heart conditions. And officer doing his job is a bad guy?
paulryanrogers 6y ago
Is this meant to be sarcasm? (Honest question)
- augustt 6y ago
  Yes - the actual phrase is "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer".
  - paulryanrogers 6y ago
    Thanks for clarifying for me. Still, I would hope that as police are investigated they are held to a high standard of behavior. They do after all have a near monopoly on the lawful use of violence.
    - tal8d 6y ago
      I absolutely agree that cops should be held to a higher standard, but that is a very different discussion. Imagine trying to steer the conversation similarly for any other class of crime: "You can't blame the school shooters... they naturally strike out at what is within their reach, they should be given space to express their outrage. We need to talk about bullying."

anigbrowl 6y ago

Since police are in the habit of teargassing people who are not engaging in any violence that seems pretty inequitable.

asdfgtrewq 6y ago

Did you read the autopsy report? Criminal died of over dose of drugs in his system and condition of his heart. His heart condition reflects his lifestyle. Lack of oxygen was not at all the cause of death. How is officer responsible for his death?