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How did you go about getting your phd? Did you take a break from paid work to go to school? Did you work on your thesis nights/ weekends? Do you feel like you

How did you go about getting your phd? Did you take a break from paid work to go to school? Did you work on your thesis nights/ weekends? Do you feel like you learned from your advisors, some if whom I'd imagine were younger than you? Did you study an area related to your work at the time? Or did you use it to learn a new area?

stagger87 6y ago
I am also interested in any responses to these questions. Even if not from the OP.
manish_gill 6y ago
+1 I'm deeply interested. Been thinking a lot about doing a Masters in AI/ML but I'd rather not stop working. Been considering part time masters programs but finding them is tricky.
- jetti 6y ago
  I did my Master’s part-time at DePaul University with almost all of the program online while I was working. They have an AI track but I am not sure how good it is.
  - manish_gill 6y ago
    Do you think it was worth it? Did you like the program?
    - gcoladon 6y ago
      Have you considered https://omscs.gatech.edu/ https://omscs.gatech.edu/? Disclosure: I am taking my 6th course of 10 as a current student in that program
      - aashu_dwivedi 6y ago
        You should definitely consider it, I am a graduate from the same program :)
      - pensatoio 6y ago
        What do you like and dislike about the program? It’s been on my wish list for several years now, but I’m hesitant to commit.
        jki275 6y ago
        It's 7k for the whole program. That alone makes it worth it.
        wan23 6y ago
        I'm also a student in OMSCS, on my fifth class of ten. Likes: - It's very affordable. My company's education reimbursement is able to cover the whole program. - The courses are rigorous and I don't feel like I'm retreading very much from my undergrad. - I'm going to end up with a degree from a top program that is exactly the same as is granted to students who attended on campus. Dislikes: - The course selection is a bit limited. Some of the classes that I want the most are only available on campus. - Slack and Reddit are active, but I feel like I'm missing the social aspect of being a student. - Some people are skeptical of the online format, which is frustrating sometimes.
    - jetti 6y ago
      I did enjoy the program and for me it was 100% worth it. I had a non-CS undergrad degree and by taking classes I was able to get my first developer job and the things I learned in the program allowed me to end up getting a more advanced position at a company than the position they had open. They had a UI position but ended up getting a backend position working on their trading platform due to some of the work I had done in the graduate program. One downside for me, though, was my math background was lacking (took discrete math, business calculus, a relatively light stats class and econometrics in undergrad) so I wasn't able to do a lot of the more interesting looking classes. Also, I was excited about the multiple compiler classes that were on the course catalog but none were offered in the 5 years I was in the program. It is hard for me to say if the program would be worth it for somebody with an undergrad degree in CS. The cost of the program is incredibly high and I walked away from the program with ~$80k in loans (could have been a bit less but had to take more in the beginning to be able to support my wife as well). I'm also not sure how rigorous the program is compared to others.
  - simonhughes22 6y ago
    I did a part-time PhD there. Took ten years but I had a very supportive advisor and managed to finish it working a day a week on it. You get out of it what you put in. They have good teachers but if you do it remotely it's on you to do a lot of self directed learning, for the PhD anyways. I now work as a researcher for a large e-commerce company. As part of the program we take Masters courses in ML and AI and they were good, I learned a lot.
    - jetti 6y ago
      How did you find your advisor? Are/were you in the Chicago area while doing your PhD? Did the fact you were doing it part-time require you to pay a tuition?
- jki275 6y ago
  GA Tech OMSCS is tailor made for you...
bregma 6y ago
I'd be very curious too. My son's university is proposing to do the next year (mostly) remote, which sounds like a perfect way for me to go back for a couple of classes too. I always wanted more letters after my name.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > I always wanted more letters after my name. This is a really bad reason to do a degree, if you want my unsolicited opinion.
  - m463 6y ago
    If you're going to become a post hole digger, it can only help you if you don't take things too seriously. :)
  - FearNotDaniel 6y ago
    That depends a lot on where you live. In Austria, for example, where I lived for several years, academic titles carry a strong social cachet and are used absolutely everywhere - on your credit card, bills from the city council for cleaning out your bins etc. People with more than one PhD will be addressed as Dr Dr Firstname Surname, someone with a regular engineering degree is allowed to refer to themselves as Ing. Surname instead of Herr/Frau. It's a really big deal.
    - Cyph0n 6y ago
      > Dr Dr Firstname Never seen that one before!
      - zvr 6y ago
        You get a "Dr." for each PhD. Walter H. Schottky's grave in Pretzfeld says "Prof. Dr. Dr. e.h. Dr. e.c. Dr. e.h. Walter Schottky"
      - jackcosgrove 6y ago
        Who knew that Thompson Twins song was really about a highly educated Austrian.
chrisseaton 6y ago
> Do you feel like you learned from your advisors, some if whom I'd imagine were younger than you? Why do you think it'd be unusual to learn from someone younger than yourself?
- mertnesvat 6y ago
  Really good point! I think as an internet generation we are the first ones to experience decreasing importance of the age.
  - eggy 6y ago
    I am sure he also had plenty to teach them! Experience hones your problem solving and troubleshooting skills.
FearNotDaniel 6y ago
I would also be fascinated to learn this. Liked the idea for several years of gaining a PhD, but I just couldn't imagine taking three or more years out of my career at this point. The only vaguely-related anecdata I have is from my mother, in a completely different field, who was a nursery school teacher (kindergarten to our friends across the pond) with a strong emphasis on creative development, but only after retirement at 65 did she actually go to university and get herself a fine arts degree. Now she potters away in her little studio every day and will probably not be in any danger of losing her marbles.
pxsant 6y ago
I took two years off to complete my PhD when one contract ended and could not immediately find another. I thought at the time if not now, I'll never find the time. Actually my primary advisor and sponsor was a professor at the University and head of the department. We kept in contact over the years and he kept bugging me to get my act together and finish what I started.
pxsant 6y ago
Someone below mentioned remote. When I first started there was no such thing as remote learning. These days even the most prestigious universities offer BSc programs where you never have to set foot on campus and can do it all over the internet. The nearest I came to that was when the University finally offered somewhat remote courses but it involved ordering books and course materials and taking exams where you had to get a proctor to monitor your exam taking. I did a course or two that way and used my local church pastor as the exam proctor. That method was really difficult. Completing a single course was a major accomplishment. Actually taking Internat based courses now takes a lot of self discipline. Far too easy to slack off and do something else.
- monadic2 6y ago
  How’s the cost compared to a brick-and-mortar place?
  - pxsant 6y ago
    From what I have seen, the cost of Internet-based courses is generally pretty high. Seems like you would be paying a high per credit cost minus the on-campus costs like room and board. There are going to be exceptions but that seems to be about the norm. There are a few places where State Universities give free tuition to in-state residents. I remember paying about $12 a credit a long time ago and that was difficult. These days, I don't know how normal people can afford to go to school. You get yourself deep in debt for student loans you can never pay off. I don't know how that can be workable.
- dboreham 6y ago
  The Open University (remote) was founded in 1969, so it isn't exactly new.

stagger87 6y ago

I am also interested in any responses to these questions. Even if not from the OP.

manish_gill 6y ago

+1 I'm deeply interested. Been thinking a lot about doing a Masters in AI/ML but I'd rather not stop working. Been considering part time masters programs but finding them is tricky.

jetti 6y ago
I did my Master’s part-time at DePaul University with almost all of the program online while I was working. They have an AI track but I am not sure how good it is.
- manish_gill 6y ago
  Do you think it was worth it? Did you like the program?
  - gcoladon 6y ago
    Have you considered https://omscs.gatech.edu/ https://omscs.gatech.edu/? Disclosure: I am taking my 6th course of 10 as a current student in that program
    - aashu_dwivedi 6y ago
      You should definitely consider it, I am a graduate from the same program :)
    - pensatoio 6y ago
      What do you like and dislike about the program? It’s been on my wish list for several years now, but I’m hesitant to commit.
      - jki275 6y ago
        It's 7k for the whole program. That alone makes it worth it.
      - wan23 6y ago
        I'm also a student in OMSCS, on my fifth class of ten. Likes: - It's very affordable. My company's education reimbursement is able to cover the whole program. - The courses are rigorous and I don't feel like I'm retreading very much from my undergrad. - I'm going to end up with a degree from a top program that is exactly the same as is granted to students who attended on campus. Dislikes: - The course selection is a bit limited. Some of the classes that I want the most are only available on campus. - Slack and Reddit are active, but I feel like I'm missing the social aspect of being a student. - Some people are skeptical of the online format, which is frustrating sometimes.
  - jetti 6y ago
    I did enjoy the program and for me it was 100% worth it. I had a non-CS undergrad degree and by taking classes I was able to get my first developer job and the things I learned in the program allowed me to end up getting a more advanced position at a company than the position they had open. They had a UI position but ended up getting a backend position working on their trading platform due to some of the work I had done in the graduate program. One downside for me, though, was my math background was lacking (took discrete math, business calculus, a relatively light stats class and econometrics in undergrad) so I wasn't able to do a lot of the more interesting looking classes. Also, I was excited about the multiple compiler classes that were on the course catalog but none were offered in the 5 years I was in the program. It is hard for me to say if the program would be worth it for somebody with an undergrad degree in CS. The cost of the program is incredibly high and I walked away from the program with ~$80k in loans (could have been a bit less but had to take more in the beginning to be able to support my wife as well). I'm also not sure how rigorous the program is compared to others.
- simonhughes22 6y ago
  I did a part-time PhD there. Took ten years but I had a very supportive advisor and managed to finish it working a day a week on it. You get out of it what you put in. They have good teachers but if you do it remotely it's on you to do a lot of self directed learning, for the PhD anyways. I now work as a researcher for a large e-commerce company. As part of the program we take Masters courses in ML and AI and they were good, I learned a lot.
  - jetti 6y ago
    How did you find your advisor? Are/were you in the Chicago area while doing your PhD? Did the fact you were doing it part-time require you to pay a tuition?
jki275 6y ago
GA Tech OMSCS is tailor made for you...

bregma 6y ago

I'd be very curious too. My son's university is proposing to do the next year (mostly) remote, which sounds like a perfect way for me to go back for a couple of classes too. I always wanted more letters after my name.

chrisseaton 6y ago
> I always wanted more letters after my name. This is a really bad reason to do a degree, if you want my unsolicited opinion.
- m463 6y ago
  If you're going to become a post hole digger, it can only help you if you don't take things too seriously. :)
- FearNotDaniel 6y ago
  That depends a lot on where you live. In Austria, for example, where I lived for several years, academic titles carry a strong social cachet and are used absolutely everywhere - on your credit card, bills from the city council for cleaning out your bins etc. People with more than one PhD will be addressed as Dr Dr Firstname Surname, someone with a regular engineering degree is allowed to refer to themselves as Ing. Surname instead of Herr/Frau. It's a really big deal.
  - Cyph0n 6y ago
    > Dr Dr Firstname Never seen that one before!
    - zvr 6y ago
      You get a "Dr." for each PhD. Walter H. Schottky's grave in Pretzfeld says "Prof. Dr. Dr. e.h. Dr. e.c. Dr. e.h. Walter Schottky"
    - jackcosgrove 6y ago
      Who knew that Thompson Twins song was really about a highly educated Austrian.

chrisseaton 6y ago

> Do you feel like you learned from your advisors, some if whom I'd imagine were younger than you? Why do you think it'd be unusual to learn from someone younger than yourself?

mertnesvat 6y ago
Really good point! I think as an internet generation we are the first ones to experience decreasing importance of the age.
- eggy 6y ago
  I am sure he also had plenty to teach them! Experience hones your problem solving and troubleshooting skills.

FearNotDaniel 6y ago

I would also be fascinated to learn this. Liked the idea for several years of gaining a PhD, but I just couldn't imagine taking three or more years out of my career at this point. The only vaguely-related anecdata I have is from my mother, in a completely different field, who was a nursery school teacher (kindergarten to our friends across the pond) with a strong emphasis on creative development, but only after retirement at 65 did she actually go to university and get herself a fine arts degree. Now she potters away in her little studio every day and will probably not be in any danger of losing her marbles.

pxsant 6y ago

I took two years off to complete my PhD when one contract ended and could not immediately find another. I thought at the time if not now, I'll never find the time. Actually my primary advisor and sponsor was a professor at the University and head of the department. We kept in contact over the years and he kept bugging me to get my act together and finish what I started.

pxsant 6y ago

Someone below mentioned remote. When I first started there was no such thing as remote learning. These days even the most prestigious universities offer BSc programs where you never have to set foot on campus and can do it all over the internet. The nearest I came to that was when the University finally offered somewhat remote courses but it involved ordering books and course materials and taking exams where you had to get a proctor to monitor your exam taking. I did a course or two that way and used my local church pastor as the exam proctor. That method was really difficult. Completing a single course was a major accomplishment. Actually taking Internat based courses now takes a lot of self discipline. Far too easy to slack off and do something else.

monadic2 6y ago
How’s the cost compared to a brick-and-mortar place?
- pxsant 6y ago
  From what I have seen, the cost of Internet-based courses is generally pretty high. Seems like you would be paying a high per credit cost minus the on-campus costs like room and board. There are going to be exceptions but that seems to be about the norm. There are a few places where State Universities give free tuition to in-state residents. I remember paying about $12 a credit a long time ago and that was difficult. These days, I don't know how normal people can afford to go to school. You get yourself deep in debt for student loans you can never pay off. I don't know how that can be workable.
dboreham 6y ago
The Open University (remote) was founded in 1969, so it isn't exactly new.