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"I am sorry, but you are not a programmer anymore" Your gatekeeping is not welcome here. This isn't a competition. "The reason you are able to completely igno

by shlant 6y ago

"I am sorry, but you are not a programmer anymore" Your gatekeeping is not welcome here. This isn't a competition. "The reason you are able to completely ignore the age issue is because there's no ageism in hiring business analysts and project managers. The ageism is visible in hiring programmers, which most certainly you are not." and your unfounded conclusions aren't welcome either.

adontz 6y ago
I am just 37 but find myself much more comfortable in management than writing code, compared to 27yo myself. I can't understand why you shame someone for pointing at true facts.
- detaro 6y ago
  It's a bit pointless given the commenter in question didn't even call themselves a programmer. Or comes across as doubling down: "I know you didn't call yourself a programmer, but just to make sure you know you don't count anymore I'll tell you explicitly". And of course being PM doesn't preclude programming too, so it's just guessing.
slightwinder 6y ago
> This isn't a competition. Except it is, as that is the single goal of this thread: Find out who is the longest serving Programmer, not the oldest guy doing something with IT. His remark is not wrong in that context.
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  But it is unnecessary, pedantic and mean. We can all read the programmer/analyst's post for ourselves; we don't need an interpreter.
  - newswasboring 6y ago
    By that logic we should only have single depth in comments. Everyone is reading every comment for themselves.
    - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
      The "but they said this" posts add nothing. The thread is unchanged if they are removed. So I advise, don't post them. In addition that unnecessary post asserted personal things not in evidence, giving the most uncharitable interpretation which is actually in direct violation of this site's standards and practices.
      - newswasboring 6y ago
        It does add something. If there is a direct question, and someone is answering it incorrectly it should be valid to tell them they misunderstood. Also calling someone a non programmer is not mean.
        JoeAltmaier 6y ago
        Nope. Not a charitable interpretation; not necessary by any means to 'correct' what is obviously an anecdotal comment in the same vein as the OP. Not even correct to call the commenter a non-programmer - assuming things not in evidence. A question like "But have you been continuously employed as a programmer?" could be reasonable and not mean-spirited.
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- Kye 6y ago
  The goal seems to be sharing experiences at different points in long careers. I don't see any competition.
MiroF 6y ago
Don't really have a stake in this either way, but presumably to determine the "longest-serving programmer", it is a bit of a competition, no? Definitely the comment was mean-spirited, but the core - which is that if we are trying to determine longest programmer, this is likely not a contender - seems to be true?
- shlant 6y ago
  as soon as you start to perceive online interactions as a competition, you get exactly the kind of attitude the original comment had. We can seek to figure out who might be the "longest-serving programmer" without being combative and dismissive. I don't think the OP is looking to claim the "Official Award for Longest-serving Programmer" as much as they are looking to start a discussion to learn more about others (which Ask HN is almost always for). This is an anonymous online forum after all, how much strict moderation and fact-checking of peoples history do you want to have?
booleandilemma 6y ago
I don’t think the parent’s point is invalid. We’re seeking the oldest programmer, in this case someone who writes code professionally. If we want to play fast and loose with our definitions then I’m a farmer, because I grow plants in my backyard.
- shlant 6y ago
  this is an online forum. Ask HN is for starting discussions. This isn't a rigid competition that needs to be strictly moderated. Even all that aside, his tone and dismissive attitude towards ageism is not welcome here.

by shlant 6y ago

adontz 6y ago

I am just 37 but find myself much more comfortable in management than writing code, compared to 27yo myself. I can't understand why you shame someone for pointing at true facts.

detaro 6y ago
It's a bit pointless given the commenter in question didn't even call themselves a programmer. Or comes across as doubling down: "I know you didn't call yourself a programmer, but just to make sure you know you don't count anymore I'll tell you explicitly". And of course being PM doesn't preclude programming too, so it's just guessing.

slightwinder 6y ago

> This isn't a competition. Except it is, as that is the single goal of this thread: Find out who is the longest serving Programmer, not the oldest guy doing something with IT. His remark is not wrong in that context.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
But it is unnecessary, pedantic and mean. We can all read the programmer/analyst's post for ourselves; we don't need an interpreter.
- newswasboring 6y ago
  By that logic we should only have single depth in comments. Everyone is reading every comment for themselves.
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    The "but they said this" posts add nothing. The thread is unchanged if they are removed. So I advise, don't post them. In addition that unnecessary post asserted personal things not in evidence, giving the most uncharitable interpretation which is actually in direct violation of this site's standards and practices.
    - newswasboring 6y ago
      It does add something. If there is a direct question, and someone is answering it incorrectly it should be valid to tell them they misunderstood. Also calling someone a non programmer is not mean.
      - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
        Nope. Not a charitable interpretation; not necessary by any means to 'correct' what is obviously an anecdotal comment in the same vein as the OP. Not even correct to call the commenter a non-programmer - assuming things not in evidence. A question like "But have you been continuously employed as a programmer?" could be reasonable and not mean-spirited.
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Kye 6y ago
The goal seems to be sharing experiences at different points in long careers. I don't see any competition.

MiroF 6y ago

Don't really have a stake in this either way, but presumably to determine the "longest-serving programmer", it is a bit of a competition, no? Definitely the comment was mean-spirited, but the core - which is that if we are trying to determine longest programmer, this is likely not a contender - seems to be true?

shlant 6y ago
as soon as you start to perceive online interactions as a competition, you get exactly the kind of attitude the original comment had. We can seek to figure out who might be the "longest-serving programmer" without being combative and dismissive. I don't think the OP is looking to claim the "Official Award for Longest-serving Programmer" as much as they are looking to start a discussion to learn more about others (which Ask HN is almost always for). This is an anonymous online forum after all, how much strict moderation and fact-checking of peoples history do you want to have?

booleandilemma 6y ago

I don’t think the parent’s point is invalid. We’re seeking the oldest programmer, in this case someone who writes code professionally. If we want to play fast and loose with our definitions then I’m a farmer, because I grow plants in my backyard.

shlant 6y ago
this is an online forum. Ask HN is for starting discussions. This isn't a rigid competition that needs to be strictly moderated. Even all that aside, his tone and dismissive attitude towards ageism is not welcome here.