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>In California, you can lend a firearm to other people who have a firearms safety certificate for up to 30 days... The state’s gun laws must be too loose if the

>In California, you can lend a firearm to other people who have a firearms safety certificate for up to 30 days... The state’s gun laws must be too loose if the firearms fetishists have to keep inventing fake restrictions to campaign against. Maybe before you go around calling names it would be beneficial to do some research of your own? I'll give you benefit of the doubt and assume that your knowledge of CA firearms laws is outdated as opposed to being maliciously incorrect: Years ago you could lend guns to anyone with an FSC or HSC for <30 days. However the powers that be decided that this was a "loophole"[1] and banned all loans to non-relatives. These are not "fake restrictions", you can verify them on the state of California's own website[2] edit: as mentioned below, it's still legal to let a non-owner handle a firearm as long as the original owner is constantly present and supervising. So sharing on a trip to the range is legal, but letting someone take a gun home afterwards is not. [1]: https://a17.asmdc.org/article/2016-legislation-0 https://a17.asmdc.org/article/2016-legislation-0 [2]: Law which amended PC § 27880[3] to ban nonfamilial loans: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1511 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml... [3]: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=27880 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....

billme 6y ago
>> “banned all loans to non-relatives” False; see PC § 27885: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=27885 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio.... —— To give some idea of how complex firearm law is in California, take a peak at the 141 page document below (current as of 2019) covering “just” the state’s penal code: https://www.atf.gov/file/117166/download https://www.atf.gov/file/117166/download
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  True, when I think of loan I was thinking more along the lines of "let a friend take it home", not loans that require colocation. Definitely agree with you on the complexity— some of my personal favorites are how CA and the Feds measure the lengths of guns completely differently, leading to much confusion. And of course there's 3 or 4 different definitions of what it means to "possess" a gun, which depend a lot on the context
- masonic 6y ago
  False; see PC § 27885: PC § 27885 (a) The person loaning the firearm is at all times within the presence of the person being loaned the firearm. I think most people's definition of "loan" isn't limited to the loaner having to be right there for the duration. That's like a library "loaning" a book but forbidding you from taking it out of the librarian's view. In practical terms, it bans loans.

billme 6y ago

>> “banned all loans to non-relatives” False; see PC § 27885: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=27885 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio.... —— To give some idea of how complex firearm law is in California, take a peak at the 141 page document below (current as of 2019) covering “just” the state’s penal code: https://www.atf.gov/file/117166/download https://www.atf.gov/file/117166/download

Rebelgecko 6y ago
True, when I think of loan I was thinking more along the lines of "let a friend take it home", not loans that require colocation. Definitely agree with you on the complexity— some of my personal favorites are how CA and the Feds measure the lengths of guns completely differently, leading to much confusion. And of course there's 3 or 4 different definitions of what it means to "possess" a gun, which depend a lot on the context
masonic 6y ago
False; see PC § 27885: PC § 27885 (a) The person loaning the firearm is at all times within the presence of the person being loaned the firearm. I think most people's definition of "loan" isn't limited to the loaner having to be right there for the duration. That's like a library "loaning" a book but forbidding you from taking it out of the librarian's view. In practical terms, it bans loans.