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Ustream.tv Just Got a Redesign, But Justin.tv Is Still Beating Its Pants Off

21 points by immad 18y ago

mannylee1 18y ago
I have been following both Ustream.tv and Justin.tv since they launched last year. They are both great sites, however, it is amazing how blatant Ustream copies Justin.tv's interface. Almomst every time Justin.tv comes up with some cool redesign for its site, Ustream.tv eventually copies them. Yeah the color schemes are different, but Ustream is stealing the principle layout of Justin.tv's redesigns. Take a look for yourself. Ustream.tv just launced a new version of their site. Now compare that with the current Justin.tv site. That should speak for itself. Maybe this is one of reasons why Ustream is so far behind in terms of traffic. As a lot of you may already know, building a website without unique design principles, usually puts a site in perpetual cathup mode. And you never want to play this game with a competitor.
- kvogt 18y ago
  Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. (And a sure way to stay months behind your competition)
- mpc 18y ago
  Also, the 13m they've taken in funding is quite a bit to just play constant catch up.
- byrneseyeview 18y ago
  "We eventually had many competitors, on the order of twenty to thirty of them, but none of their software could compete with ours. We had a wysiwyg online store builder that ran on the server and yet felt like a desktop application. Our competitors had cgi scripts. And we were always far ahead of them in features. Sometimes, in desperation, competitors would try to introduce features that we didn't have. But with Lisp our development cycle was so fast that we could sometimes duplicate a new feature within a day or two of a competitor announcing it in a press release. By the time journalists covering the press release got round to calling us, we would have the new feature too." http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html
wumi 18y ago
The friends I know who use Justin.TV all use it to watch sports, e.g. NBA Finals, Eurocup 2008, Olympic Trials.
Mystalic 18y ago
The problem with Justin.TV is the illegal content - the NBA Finals, etc. can't stay there forever. It can't survive on that - it'll get crushed. uStream's content is higher quality and legal. Of course, maybe its legality just doesn't matter on the net.
- johnyzee 18y ago
  A fair piece of youtube's success owes to illegal, copyrighted content (yes, including the rickroll).
  - alaskamiller 18y ago
    Might as well just start selling crack around the corner. That seems easier.
    - johnyzee 18y ago
      In the case of youtube it seems most copyright owners tacitly accept the presence of their material, probably because they recognize the promotional value. It's a weird situation now where people casually link to illegal material, like a Family Guy episode or a clip from Office Space, and nobody even blinks.

21 points by immad 18y ago

I have been following both Ustream.tv and Justin.tv since they launched last year. They are both great sites, however, it is amazing how blatant Ustream copies Justin.tv's interface. Almomst every time Justin.tv comes up with some cool redesign for its site, Ustream.tv eventually copies them. Yeah the color schemes are different, but Ustream is stealing the principle layout of Justin.tv's redesigns. Take a look for yourself. Ustream.tv just launced a new version of their site. Now compare that with the current Justin.tv site. That should speak for itself. Maybe this is one of reasons why Ustream is so far behind in terms of traffic. As a lot of you may already know, building a website without unique design principles, usually puts a site in perpetual cathup mode. And you never want to play this game with a competitor.

kvogt 18y ago
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. (And a sure way to stay months behind your competition)
mpc 18y ago
Also, the 13m they've taken in funding is quite a bit to just play constant catch up.
byrneseyeview 18y ago
"We eventually had many competitors, on the order of twenty to thirty of them, but none of their software could compete with ours. We had a wysiwyg online store builder that ran on the server and yet felt like a desktop application. Our competitors had cgi scripts. And we were always far ahead of them in features. Sometimes, in desperation, competitors would try to introduce features that we didn't have. But with Lisp our development cycle was so fast that we could sometimes duplicate a new feature within a day or two of a competitor announcing it in a press release. By the time journalists covering the press release got round to calling us, we would have the new feature too." http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html

wumi 18y ago

The friends I know who use Justin.TV all use it to watch sports, e.g. NBA Finals, Eurocup 2008, Olympic Trials.

Mystalic 18y ago

The problem with Justin.TV is the illegal content - the NBA Finals, etc. can't stay there forever. It can't survive on that - it'll get crushed. uStream's content is higher quality and legal. Of course, maybe its legality just doesn't matter on the net.

johnyzee 18y ago
A fair piece of youtube's success owes to illegal, copyrighted content (yes, including the rickroll).
- alaskamiller 18y ago
  Might as well just start selling crack around the corner. That seems easier.
  - johnyzee 18y ago
    In the case of youtube it seems most copyright owners tacitly accept the presence of their material, probably because they recognize the promotional value. It's a weird situation now where people casually link to illegal material, like a Family Guy episode or a clip from Office Space, and nobody even blinks.