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> People fall ill from drinking raw milk and even die today, when we have a better understanding of the causes of disease and have much better hygiene standards

by bsima 6y ago

> People fall ill from drinking raw milk and even die today, when we have a better understanding of the causes of disease and have much better hygiene standards. I don't understand why you expect that this happened less, or not at all (?) in the past. The illnesses associated with raw milk are caused by improperly handled milk, diseased cows, or something else entirely. Its human error, not some inherent quality of milk that is dangerous. Seriously take a look at the book The Untold Story of Milk, it has done all of the intellectual work to weigh the evidence and analyze the history already.

YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
>> Its human error, not some inherent quality of milk that is dangerous. I agree that it's not an "inherent quality of milk" that is dangerous. For instance, it's not the fact that milk is liquid, or that its colour is white/yellow that makes it dangerous. It is the presence of pathogenic bacteria in raw milk that make drinking raw milk dangerous. However, the presence of pathogenic bacteria in raw milk is not the result of "human error". Indeed, one would say that it is the natural state of things that bacteria will populate everything we eat, drink or breathe. It just happens that some of those bacteria can cause illness or kill us. >> Seriously take a look at the book The Untold Story of Milk, it has done all of the intellectual work to weigh the evidence and analyze the history already. So have the WHO, FDA, CDC, EFSA, FSA, etc etc. Does the book you recommend arrive at different results? Edit: To be a bit more precise about "human error". Animals do not need to be diseased and humans don't need to make errors for raw milk to cause illness. See for example the campylobacter outbreak caused by raw milk produced by Kendal Farm in the UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-38409110 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-38409110 Note: In August the farm won a National Trust fine farm produce award for its unpasteurised milk. Meaning the highest possible hygiene standards were observed at that farm. This being a UK farm, hygiene standards means that ill animals are separated from the herd and their milk destroyed and that animals and their milk are tested at least twice a year to ensure they're free from infection. You will not find more stringent hygiene procedures the world over. And yet, an outbreak did occur.
- bsima 6y ago
  > So have the WHO, FDA, CDC, EFSA, FSA, etc etc. Does the book you recommend arrive at different results? Yes
  - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
    Are there any authoritative sources that arrive at the same results as the book you recommend? If so, could you link to them, please?

by bsima 6y ago

YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago

>> Its human error, not some inherent quality of milk that is dangerous. I agree that it's not an "inherent quality of milk" that is dangerous. For instance, it's not the fact that milk is liquid, or that its colour is white/yellow that makes it dangerous. It is the presence of pathogenic bacteria in raw milk that make drinking raw milk dangerous. However, the presence of pathogenic bacteria in raw milk is not the result of "human error". Indeed, one would say that it is the natural state of things that bacteria will populate everything we eat, drink or breathe. It just happens that some of those bacteria can cause illness or kill us. >> Seriously take a look at the book The Untold Story of Milk, it has done all of the intellectual work to weigh the evidence and analyze the history already. So have the WHO, FDA, CDC, EFSA, FSA, etc etc. Does the book you recommend arrive at different results? Edit: To be a bit more precise about "human error". Animals do not need to be diseased and humans don't need to make errors for raw milk to cause illness. See for example the campylobacter outbreak caused by raw milk produced by Kendal Farm in the UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-38409110 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-38409110 Note: In August the farm won a National Trust fine farm produce award for its unpasteurised milk. Meaning the highest possible hygiene standards were observed at that farm. This being a UK farm, hygiene standards means that ill animals are separated from the herd and their milk destroyed and that animals and their milk are tested at least twice a year to ensure they're free from infection. You will not find more stringent hygiene procedures the world over. And yet, an outbreak did occur.

bsima 6y ago
> So have the WHO, FDA, CDC, EFSA, FSA, etc etc. Does the book you recommend arrive at different results? Yes
- YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
  Are there any authoritative sources that arrive at the same results as the book you recommend? If so, could you link to them, please?